{"id":15519,"date":"2014-04-03T10:03:34","date_gmt":"2014-04-03T08:03:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=15519"},"modified":"2014-04-03T10:08:08","modified_gmt":"2014-04-03T08:08:08","slug":"proc-se-stale-ceka-na-lecebne-konopi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=15519","title":{"rendered":"Pro\u010d se st\u00e1le \u010dek\u00e1 na l\u00e9\u010debn\u00e9 konop\u00ed?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>N\u011bkd\u011bj\u0161\u00ed ministr zdravotnictv\u00ed Leo\u0161 Heger a \u010dlen peti\u010dn\u00edho v\u00fdboru L\u00e9\u010debn\u00e9 konop\u00ed Pavel Kub\u016f hovo\u0159ili v po\u0159adu \u010cesk\u00e9 televize o tom, pro\u010d si lid\u00e9 dosud l\u00e9\u010debn\u00e9 konop\u00ed nemohou obstarat, p\u0159esto\u017ee je ji\u017e jeho distribuce p\u0159es rok schv\u00e1len\u00e1. Zkr\u00e1cen\u00fd p\u0159epis \u017eiv\u00e9ho rozhovoru.\u00a0<!--more--><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong> Kdy\u017e to v\u0161echno za\u010dalo tou petic\u00ed, my chceme marihuanu pro l\u00e9\u010debn\u00e9 \u00fa\u010dely. Nelitujete dnes, \u017ee n\u011bjak\u00e1 takov\u00e1 petice byla, kdy\u017e vid\u00edte ty v\u00fdsledky?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Pavel KUB\u016e, \u010dlen peti\u010dn\u00edho v\u00fdboru, L\u00e9\u010debn\u00e9 konop\u00ed:<br \/>\nRozhodn\u011b nelitujeme. Domn\u00edv\u00e1m se, \u017ee ta petice v\u00fdznamn\u011b pomohla tomu, \u017ee v\u016fbec ten legislativn\u00ed proces se dostal do agendy p\u0159edchoz\u00ed sn\u011bmovny a ten z\u00e1kon byl n\u00e1sledn\u011b schv\u00e1len. To, co se d\u011blo pot\u00e9 v tom, kterak do nejr\u016fzn\u011bj\u0161\u00edch podz\u00e1konn\u00fdch norem byly umis\u0165ov\u00e1ny nejr\u016fzn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed hlavy 22, aby se to konop\u00ed pokud mo\u017eno k pacient\u016fm nedostalo a nemohlo b\u00fdt u n\u011bj ani \u017e\u00e1d\u00e1no o to, aby tak jako jin\u00e9 l\u00e9ky, kter\u00e9 \u00fa\u010dinkuj\u00ed na symptomy nejr\u016fzn\u011bj\u0161\u00edch nemoc\u00ed, jim bylo hrazeno, tak to n\u00e1s samoz\u0159ejm\u011b nenaplnilo radost\u00ed. Na druhou stranu prost\u011b to je sou\u010d\u00e1st, domn\u00edv\u00e1m se, ka\u017ed\u00e9 z\u00e1sadn\u00ed spole\u010densk\u00e9 zm\u011bny, \u017ee chv\u00edli trv\u00e1, ne\u017e se&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Na druhou stranu ale v\u00fdsledky \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9. Co si budeme pov\u00eddat, v\u00fdsledky \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9, nic se nedovezlo, by\u0165 u\u017e se tedy m\u016f\u017ee dov\u00e1\u017eet, p\u011bstovat se nem\u016f\u017ee, teprv se budou p\u0159id\u011blovat licence, ale prost\u011b v\u00fdsledek \u017e\u00e1dn\u00fd.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Pavel KUB\u016e,<br \/>\nJ\u00e1 bych v tomto si dovolil nesouhlasit. S\u00e1m ten v\u00fdsledek, \u017ee m\u00e1me jako jedna z prvn\u00edch zem\u00ed na sv\u011bt\u011b legislativu, kter\u00e1 umo\u017e\u0148uje, aby se l\u00e9\u010debn\u00e9 konop\u00ed leg\u00e1ln\u011b dost\u00e1valo k pacient\u016fm, tak je samo o sob\u011b velk\u00fd v\u00fdsledek, kter\u00fd pochopiteln\u011b nesn\u00ed\u017e\u00ed utrpen\u00ed pacient\u016f, kte\u0159\u00ed na to l\u00e9\u010debn\u00e9 konop\u00ed \u010dekaj\u00ed. Ale alespo\u0148 otv\u00edr\u00e1 dve\u0159e k tomu, aby se k nim dostalo, bude-li v\u016fle p\u0159\u00edslu\u0161n\u00fdch autorit, aby ten syst\u00e9m zprovoznili a on byl funk\u010dn\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dve\u0159e otev\u0159eny. Pro\u010d v nich stoj\u00ed ty hlavy 22, pane doktore, kter\u00e9 to v\u0161emo\u017en\u011b komplikuj\u00ed, a\u0165 jde o \u00fahrady, tak vlastn\u011b i o vlastn\u00ed princip.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Leo\u0161 HEGER, b\u00fdval\u00fd ministr zdravotnictv\u00ed \/TOP 09\/:<br \/>\nJ\u00e1 bych mo\u017en\u00e1 za\u010dal tro\u0161ku ze\u0161iroka. On ten probl\u00e9m, kter\u00fd tady \u0159e\u0161\u00edme, je probl\u00e9m zav\u00e1d\u011bn\u00ed novinek do \u010desk\u00e9 medic\u00edny nebo do medic\u00edny obecn\u011b. Ono se tomu \u0159\u00edk\u00e1 odborn\u011b nov\u00fdch technologi\u00ed. A on m\u00e1 sv\u00e9 z\u00e1konitosti a k t\u011bm zku\u0161enostem s t\u011bmi nov\u00fdmi technologiemi pat\u0159\u00ed to, \u017ee jestli\u017ee se objev\u00ed na sc\u00e9n\u011b n\u011bjak\u00e1 technologie nebo, \u0159ekn\u011bme, l\u00e9k, p\u0159\u00edstroj, n\u011bjak\u00fd l\u00e9ka\u0159sk\u00fd postup, kter\u00e9 jsou zlomov\u011b v\u00fdrazn\u011b nov\u00e9 a pom\u00e1haj\u00ed jednozna\u010dn\u011b pacient\u016fm, tak i p\u0159esto, \u017ee ty technologie jsou n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e9 nebo velmi drah\u00e9, tak se velmi rychle prosad\u00ed. J\u00e1 bych p\u0159ipomn\u011bl, zhruba p\u0159ed 10 lety se tady objevila mimo\u0159\u00e1dn\u011b drah\u00e1 onkologick\u00e1 l\u00e9\u010dba biologick\u00fdmi prepar\u00e1ty&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Promi\u0148te, je\u0161t\u011b po\u0159\u00e1d mluv\u00edme o marihuan\u011b, pane doktore?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Leo\u0161 HEGER,<br \/>\nAno. A pak se objevila biologick\u00e1 l\u00e9\u010dba t\u0159eba tam, kde se ta marihuana hodn\u011b diskutuje, u pacient\u016f s roztrou\u0161enou skler\u00f3zou, a ty v\u011bci se zavedly stra\u0161n\u011b rychle. Zat\u00edmco ta l\u00e9\u010dba konop\u00edm zdaleka nem\u00e1 tak jednozna\u010dn\u00e9 a p\u0159elomov\u00e9 v\u00fdsledky, jak to vych\u00e1z\u00ed&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Nikde ve sv\u011bt\u011b, nelze se n\u011bkde pou\u017e\u00edt, pou\u010dit.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Leo\u0161 HEGER,<br \/>\nAle tak samoz\u0159ejm\u011b se pou\u017e\u00edv\u00e1, ale ta l\u00e9\u010dba v\u017edycky z\u016fst\u00e1v\u00e1 na hranici n\u011bjak\u00e9 l\u00e9\u010dby podp\u016frn\u00e9, ne principi\u00e1ln\u00ed, v\u017edycky je cel\u00e1 \u0159ada dal\u0161\u00edch alternativ, a to si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee je ten hlavn\u00ed probl\u00e9m, proto\u017ee l\u00e9ka\u0159i jsou v takov\u00e9m p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b, a zvl\u00e1\u0161\u0165 kdy\u017e je to n\u011b\u010d\u00edm komplikovan\u00e9 jako to, \u017ee v tomhle p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b se jedn\u00e1 o drogu, kter\u00e1 vy\u017eaduje zvl\u00e1\u0161tn\u00ed re\u017eim, tak jsou potom velmi opatrn\u00ed a n\u00e1stup t\u00e9 novinky je podstatn\u011b pomalej\u0161\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Je to tak slo\u017eit\u00e9 to zav\u00e9st?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Pavel KUB\u016e,<br \/>\nKa\u017ed\u00e1 nov\u00e1 v\u011bc v medic\u00edn\u011b u\u017e ze sv\u00e9 podstaty, \u017ee to posledn\u00ed, co by asi v\u0161ichni akt\u00e9\u0159i ve zdravotnictv\u00ed cht\u011bli, a to je d\u011blat n\u011bjak\u00e9 pokusy na lidech, samoz\u0159ejm\u011b podstupuje mnohem z\u00e1sadn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed bari\u00e9ry ne\u017e uveden\u00ed nov\u00fdch su\u0161enek na trh. Nicm\u00e9n\u011b to srovn\u00e1n\u00ed s t\u011bmi nov\u00fdmi technologiemi by se mohlo zd\u00e1t velmi logick\u00e9, ale vypad\u00e1v\u00e1 z n\u011bj ten z\u00e1sadn\u00ed handicap, kter\u00fd l\u00e9\u010debn\u00e9 konop\u00ed v\u0161ude na sv\u011bt\u011b m\u00e1, a to ten, \u017ee v \u0159ad\u011b zem\u00ed se jedn\u00e1 o ileg\u00e1ln\u00ed substanci a nen\u00ed v podstat\u011b p\u0159\u00edstup pro l\u00e9ka\u0159e \u010di zdravotn\u00edky, aby s n\u00edm pracovali, co\u017e z\u00e1rove\u0148 m\u016f\u017ee a je\u0161t\u011b douf\u00e1m st\u00e1le je n\u011bjak\u00e1 konkuren\u010dn\u00ed v\u00fdhoda pro \u010ceskou republiku, kterou z\u00edsk\u00e1v\u00e1 t\u00edm, \u017ee tu legislativu ji\u017e m\u00e1me, a proto by na\u0161i experti, kte\u0159\u00ed opakovan\u011b vyjad\u0159ovali v\u016fli a z\u00e1jem to konop\u00ed nejen zkoumat, ale i pod\u00e1vat pacient\u016fm, aby mohli pou\u017e\u00edvat.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Co n\u00e1m tedy br\u00e1n\u00ed. Tak m\u00e1me konkuren\u010dn\u00ed v\u00fdhodu, v\u00edme, jak to funguje, v\u00edme, \u017ee to je podp\u016frn\u00e1 l\u00e9\u010dba, jak \u0159\u00edkal pan doktor Heger. Tak pro\u010d to je\u0161t\u011b nen\u00ed, necht\u011blo to p\u0159edchoz\u00ed ministerstvo zdravotnictv\u00ed t\u0159eba?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Leo\u0161 HEGER,<br \/>\ntak mus\u00edm \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee samoz\u0159ejm\u011b ten proces \u00fa\u0159ednick\u00fd je pom\u011brn\u011b slo\u017eit\u00fd, proto\u017ee tam hraj\u00ed roli dva na\u0161e z\u00e1kony, jedny o t\u011bch norm\u00e1ln\u00edch l\u00e9\u010divech, jedny o drog\u00e1ch. A hraje v tom roli protidrogov\u00e1 \u00famluva, proto to na sv\u011bt\u011b je v r\u016fzn\u00fdch zem\u00edch velmi r\u016fzn\u00e9. Nap\u0159\u00edklad \u010dasto se tady cituje Izrael, jak tam to jde. Ale tam oni maj\u00ed v t\u00e9 protidrogov\u00e9 \u00famluv\u011b celosv\u011btov\u00e9 maj\u00ed podstatn\u011b voln\u011bj\u0161\u00ed re\u017eim. Tak\u017ee nen\u00ed to tak snadno ty zku\u0161enosti p\u0159enositeln\u00e9. A j\u00e1 \u0159eknu jeden p\u0159\u00edklad jaksi je\u0161t\u011b na obhajobu t\u011bch \u00fa\u0159edn\u00edk\u016f. Ono v\u017edycky \u00fa\u0159edn\u00edci jsou v ur\u010dit\u00e9 nev\u00fdhod\u011b, proto\u017ee je nikdo nem\u00e1 r\u00e1d, a zvl\u00e1\u0161\u0165 l\u00e9ka\u0159i, kte\u0159\u00ed cht\u011bj\u00ed n\u011bco nov\u00e9ho zav\u00e1d\u011bt, proti nim velmi vehementn\u011b bojuj\u00ed. A oni tady v tom p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b nebojovali tak moc za ten nov\u00fd l\u00e9k l\u00e9ka\u0159i, kte\u0159\u00ed by ho m\u011bli p\u0159edepisovat, neurologov\u00e9, onkologov\u00e9, a bojovali za n\u011bj daleko v\u00edc ti lid\u00e9, kte\u0159\u00ed se zab\u00fdvaj\u00ed protidrogovou politikou a bohu\u017eel tedy i lid\u00e9, kte\u0159\u00ed s t\u011bmi drogami experimentuj\u00ed a\u017e na hran\u011b z\u00e1kona, ti byli tak\u00e9 velmi, velmi sly\u0161et, a to tro\u0161ku ten proces devalvovalo. A znovu opakuji, \u017ee ti l\u00e9ka\u0159i, kte\u0159\u00ed maj\u00ed ten l\u00e9k pou\u017e\u00edvat, tak ti se k tomu stav\u00ed pom\u011brn\u011b vla\u017en\u011b.<\/p>\n<p><strong>No, to je mo\u017en\u00e1 d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9 to, co \u0159\u00edk\u00e1 pan doktor Heger. Vlastn\u011b pro toho, pro koho to m\u00e1 b\u00fdt to, tak ten to nechce.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Pavel KUB\u016e,<br \/>\nTady se tak\u00e9 mus\u00edme \u0159\u00edci to, \u017ee \u00fa\u0159edn\u00edci sv\u00fdm rozhodnut\u00edm odstavili celou \u0159adu t\u011bch specializac\u00ed, kter\u00e9 ji\u017e ten p\u0159\u00edpravn\u00e9m procesu z\u00e1konu vyj\u00e1d\u0159ili v\u016fli to konop\u00ed pou\u017e\u00edvat, jako t\u0159eba geriat\u0159i, jejich\u017e pacient\u016f&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tak ti se k tomu nevyjad\u0159ovali?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Pavel KUB\u016e,<br \/>\nNe, vyjad\u0159ovali opakovan\u011b, ale byli p\u0159esto, \u017ee se vyjad\u0159ovali, vy\u0159azeni v\u016fbec z t\u011bch seznam\u016f opr\u00e1vn\u011bn\u00fdch specializac\u00ed l\u00e9ka\u0159\u016f&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>A z\u016fstali tam jenom ti, kte\u0159\u00ed to necht\u011bli tedy, rozum\u00edm tomu dob\u0159e.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Pavel KUB\u016e,:<br \/>\nStejn\u011b tak se vyjad\u0159ovala i \u0159ada t\u011bch kte\u0159\u00ed na tom seznamu z\u016fstali. J\u00e1 za v\u0161echny zm\u00edn\u00edm profesora Rokytu, p\u0159edsedu \u010cesk\u00e9 l\u00e9ka\u0159sk\u00e9 akademie, jeho\u017e p\u0159ipom\u00ednky opakovan\u00e9 k t\u011bm podz\u00e1konn\u00fdm norm\u00e1m, kter\u00e9 S\u00daKL p\u0159ipravoval, a upozor\u0148ov\u00e1n\u00ed na ty hlavy 22 a\u0165 u\u017e zam\u00fd\u0161len\u00e9, \u010di nezam\u00fd\u0161len\u00e9, kter\u00e9 ten text obsahoval, p\u0159esto i takov\u00e9to p\u0159ipom\u00ednky z\u016fstaly zcela ignorov\u00e1ny.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Byly p\u0159ipom\u00ednky t\u011bch, co vyr\u00e1b\u011bj\u00ed l\u00e9ky? Pt\u00e1m se na farmaceutickou lobby samoz\u0159ejm\u011b.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Pavel KUB\u016e,<br \/>\nJ\u00e1 jsem si v\u011bdom pouze dvou souhlasn\u00fdch stanovisek z\u00e1stupc\u016f poji\u0161\u0165oven k tomu n\u00e1vrhu opat\u0159en\u00ed&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>No, a ti, co vyr\u00e1b\u011bj\u00ed l\u00e9ky, jsou siln\u011b proti? Nev\u00edte.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Pavel KUB\u016e<br \/>\nJ\u00e1 si nejsem v\u011bdom \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9ho, \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9 z\u00e1sadn\u00ed antilobby ze strany farmaceutick\u00e9ho pr\u016fmyslu, by\u0165 se tato hypot\u00e9za \u010dasto spekuluje v nejr\u016fzn\u011bj\u0161\u00edch kruz\u00edch.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jen to chci vyjasnit, jestli jsou to pomluvy, nebo nejsou pomluvy. Klepali na dve\u0159e ministerstva?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Leo\u0161 HEGER,<br \/>\nJ\u00e1 bych dokonce dal jeden p\u0159\u00edpad, j\u00e1 si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee v tomhle ten probl\u00e9m nen\u00ed. On tady je\u0161t\u011b d\u0159\u00edv, ne\u017e ten z\u00e1kon ve\u0161el v platnost, tak u\u017e tady existoval registrovan\u00fd l\u00e9k, komer\u010dn\u011b vyr\u00e1b\u011bn\u00fd Sativex, kter\u00fd v podstat\u011b je l\u00e9kem obdobn\u00e9ho \u00fa\u010dinku, jako to konop\u00ed p\u011bstovan\u00e9 z rostlin. A ten l\u00e9k je tady registrov\u00e1n, je fakt, \u017ee na n\u011bj nen\u00ed vydan \u00fahradov\u00fd v\u00fdnos, tak\u017ee nem\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt hrazen poji\u0161\u0165ovnami. Ale p\u0159esto takov\u00fdhle l\u00e9k\u016f, t\u0159eba v t\u00e9 ji\u017e citovan\u00e9 onkologii, bylo taky spousta a oni se prosadily d\u00edky tomu, \u017ee l\u00e9ka\u0159i tla\u010dili na to, aby se pou\u017eil takzvan\u00fd paragraf 16, odborn\u00edci v\u011bd\u00ed, co to je, to je paragraf, kter\u00fd umo\u017e\u0148uje i l\u00e9ky, kter\u00e9 nemaj\u00ed \u00fahrady, tak aby je dostali ve v\u00fdjime\u010dn\u00fdch p\u0159\u00edpadech, a p\u0159esto se \u0159ada novinek tady prosadila. A tady ta tendence prost\u011b nebyla, l\u00e9ka\u0159i z toho maj\u00ed tro\u0161ku strach, proto\u017ee u n\u00e1s je nap\u0159\u00edklad zn\u00e1mo, \u017ee ani klasick\u00e9 opi\u00e1ty, kter\u00e9 maj\u00ed tro\u0161ku jin\u00fd re\u017eim, ale moc se to od toho konop\u00ed neli\u0161\u00ed, tak\u017ee nejsou p\u0159edepisov\u00e1ny tak, jak by mohly b\u00fdt, p\u0159esto\u017ee jsou pom\u011brn\u011b levn\u00e9. Tak\u017ee jako ty zak\u00e1zan\u00e9 takzvan\u00e9 drogov\u00e9 prepar\u00e1ty nebo d\u0159\u00edve se p\u0159edepisovaly na recepty s modr\u00fdm pruhem, jaksi maj\u00ed v\u017edycky ur\u010ditou p\u0159edb\u011b\u017enou opatrnost u l\u00e9ka\u0159\u016f.<\/p>\n<p><strong>P\u00e1nov\u00e9, pros\u00edm tip, kdy bude ten syst\u00e9m u n\u00e1s fungovat?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Pavel KUB\u016e,<br \/>\nJ\u00e1 douf\u00e1m, \u017ee v horizontu n\u011bkolika m\u00e1lo m\u011bs\u00edc\u016f.<\/p>\n<p>Leo\u0161 HEGER,<br \/>\nJ\u00e1 si mysl\u00edm tak\u00e9, nemus\u00edte ty \u00fa\u0159edn\u00edky tak blamovat, u\u017e je vyps\u00e1no nebo t\u00e9m\u011b\u0159 uzav\u0159eno v\u00fdb\u011brov\u00e9 \u0159\u00edzen\u00ed na p\u011bst\u011bn\u00ed, kter\u00e9 asi tu cenu trochu sn\u00ed\u017e\u00ed. Objevuj\u00ed se d\u00e1l n\u011bjak\u00e9 nov\u00e9 studie klinick\u00e9, kter\u00e9 ukazuj\u00ed, \u017ee ty kanabinoidy p\u0159ece jenom n\u011bjak\u00fd efekt v n\u011bkter\u00fdch p\u0159\u00edpadech m\u00edt budou. Tak\u017ee i mo\u017en\u00e1 to otev\u0159en\u00ed se sm\u011brem k poji\u0161\u0165ovn\u00e1m ve v\u00fdjime\u010dn\u00fdch p\u0159\u00edpadech bude v budoucnu mo\u017en\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Zden\u011bk Majzl\u00edk, to je otec dcery, kter\u00e1 pro l\u00e9\u010debn\u00e9 \u00fa\u010dely se s marihuanou setk\u00e1v\u00e1. Pane Majzl\u00edku, dobr\u00fd ve\u010der. V\u00edtejte u n\u00e1s ve vys\u00edl\u00e1n\u00ed. Tak jste to sly\u0161el, b\u011bhem n\u011bkolika m\u011bs\u00edc\u016f by to m\u011blo fungovat, oba dva p\u00e1nov\u00e9 tomu v\u011b\u0159\u00ed, tak je u\u017e na\u010dase anebo po\u0159\u00e1d t\u011bch n\u011bkolik m\u011bs\u00edc\u016f je moc velk\u00e1 doba?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Zden\u011bk MAJZL\u00cdK, otec pacientky, T\u00fdn nad Vltavou:<br \/>\nV\u00edte, to, co \u0159\u00edkal pan doktor Heger, j\u00e1 tomu nev\u011b\u0159\u00edm ani slovo, proto\u017ee pan doktor Heger tady toto \u0159\u00edkal pr\u00e1v\u011b p\u0159ed t\u00edm rokem a neud\u011blalo se naprosto nic. S\u00daKL pod b\u00fdval\u00fdm veden\u00edm naopak ud\u011blal v\u0161echno proto, abyste zkomplikoval p\u0159\u00edstup ke konop\u00ed je\u0161t\u011b v\u00edc, ne\u017e bylo p\u0159edt\u00edm. Tak\u017ee tady toto to jsou jenom \u0159e\u010di, kter\u00e9 to jsou takov\u00e9 tane\u010dky, aby se, aby se prost\u011b nesn\u00ed\u017eil p\u0159\u00edjem pen\u011bz t\u011bm farmaceutick\u00fdm firm\u00e1m. Moje dcera to konop\u00ed&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Doktor Heger, zkusme nechat pane exministra zareagovat. D\u011blal jste, tady to sly\u0161\u00edte p\u0159\u00edmo od \u010dlov\u011bka, kter\u00fd se s t\u00edm ka\u017edodenn\u011b potk\u00e1v\u00e1. D\u011blal jste v\u0161echno pro to, v\u010detn\u011b S\u00daKLu, aby tedy St\u00e1tn\u00edho \u00fastavu pro kontrolu l\u00e9\u010div, aby syst\u00e9m nefungoval?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Leo\u0161 HEGER,<br \/>\nNe, to ur\u010dit\u011b ne. Firmy byly v term\u00ednu vybr\u00e1ny, kter\u00e9 mohou dov\u00e1\u017eet to konop\u00ed, ten substr\u00e1t, ze kter\u00e9ho se ty l\u00e9\u010div\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edpravky mohou d\u011blat v l\u00e9k\u00e1rn\u00e1ch. Ale prost\u011b zat\u00edm nen\u00ed v t\u00e9 odborn\u00e9 obci o n\u011bj z\u00e1jem. Zrovna tak tedy&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Po\u010dkejte, tak m\u00e1me t\u0159i firmy, kter\u00e9 cht\u011bj\u00ed, a ty v\u00fdsledky tady nejsou. To v\u0161echno m\u016f\u017ee j\u00edt rychle. V\u00fdb\u011brov\u00e1 \u0159\u00edzen\u00ed mohla b\u00fdt p\u0159ipravena, aby se s term\u00ednem \u00fa\u010dinnosti a mo\u017enosti tohle to prost\u011b spustilo.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Leo\u0161 HEGER,<br \/>\nAle j\u00e1 u\u017e jsem \u0159\u00edkal, \u017ee to stra\u0161n\u011b z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed na t\u011bch indikuj\u00edc\u00edch l\u00e9ka\u0159\u00edch. A v\u00edte, oni ty informace typu, kter\u00e9 tady prezentuje pan Majzl\u00edk, se opravdu li\u0161\u00ed od t\u011bch odborn\u00fdch informac\u00ed. A ty rozd\u00edly jsou obrovsk\u00e9. T\u0159eba ve Velk\u00e9 Brit\u00e1nii, kdy\u017e se tam uvolnilo konop\u00ed, tak se mluvilo o 2 tis\u00edc\u00edch pacientech. A u n\u00e1s se st\u00e1le mluv\u00ed o 40 tis\u00edc\u00edch pacientech. Tak\u017ee ten z\u00e1jem to pou\u017e\u00edvat je&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tak v\u00edte co, tak se, pane doktore, zeptejme pana Majzl\u00edka. Pane Majzl\u00edku, v\u00e1m l\u00e9ka\u0159i necht\u011bj\u00ed p\u0159edepisovat, tedy \u0159\u00edkaj\u00ed, \u017ee nebudou v\u00e1m p\u0159edepisovat nebo necht\u011bj\u00ed p\u0159edepisovat konop\u00ed pro l\u00e9\u010dbu?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Zden\u011bk MAJZL\u00cdK<br \/>\nS l\u00e9ka\u0159i, s kter\u00fdma jsem j\u00e1 mluvil o konop\u00ed a o tom, tak oby\u010dejn\u011b byl velk\u00fd z\u00e1jem. Oni se ptali m\u011b, oni se ptali m\u011b, jak\u00e9 m\u00e1m zku\u0161enosti, co to d\u011bl\u00e1, jak to funguje o m\u00e9 dcery. V\u00edte, to je ten paradox, proto\u017ee ti l\u00e9ka\u0159i nejsou naprosto nijak \u0161koleni na to, aby v\u011bd\u011bli, co to d\u011bl\u00e1. N\u00e1m se stal takov\u00fd p\u0159\u00edpad, \u017ee kdy\u017e jsem musel dceru odv\u00e9st v Bud\u011bjovic\u00edch do nemocnice, kdy m\u011bla jin\u00e9 probl\u00e9my, musel jsem domlouvat s l\u00e9ka\u0159i, aby ji prost\u011b nechali tu inhalaci, to znamen\u00e1, kdy\u017e ne inhalaci, ale kou\u0159en\u00ed t\u011bch joint\u016f, proto\u017ee jedin\u011b to ji zbavuje t\u011bch k\u0159e\u010d\u00ed a bolest\u00ed, tak do\u0161el pan doktor a \u0159\u00edkal moji dce\u0159i, \u017ee by to nem\u011bla d\u011blat, \u017ee by konop\u00ed nem\u011bla kou\u0159it, \u017ee on ji z toho, on ji m\u00edsto toho m\u016f\u017ee d\u00e1t velice bezpe\u010dn\u00e9 opiov\u00e9 tablety. V\u00edte, to je ten paradox stra\u0161n\u00fd. Konop\u00ed je psychicky mo\u017en\u00e1 n\u00e1vykov\u00e1 l\u00e1tka, opium je fyzicky n\u00e1vykov\u00e1 l\u00e1tka. Opium, jakmile za\u010dnete br\u00e1t, tak mus\u00edte neust\u00e1le stup\u0148ovat, aby se ten \u00fa\u010dinek udr\u017eel. U konop\u00ed nic takov\u00e9ho nen\u00ed. Tak\u017ee tady toto, to jsou doopravdy, jak \u0159\u00edk\u00e1m, to jsou jenom tane\u010dky kolem toho, aby se d\u011blalo n\u011bjak\u00e9 probl\u00e9my. A pokud se jedn\u00e1 u m\u00fd dcery&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ano, ano, pane Majzl\u00edku, j\u00e1 se pt\u00e1m pana Kub\u016f. Tak jak to tedy je, tak cht\u011bj\u00ed to l\u00e9ka\u0159i, jak \u0159\u00edk\u00e1 pan Majzl\u00edk, nebo necht\u011bj\u00ed to l\u00e9ka\u0159i, jak \u0159\u00edk\u00e1 pan Heger? Jak\u00e1 je va\u0161e zku\u0161enost?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Pavel KUB\u016e,<br \/>\nMoje zku\u0161enost je takov\u00e1, \u017ee l\u00e9ka\u0159i to cht\u011bj\u00ed. U\u017e jsem zmi\u0148oval, \u017ee n\u011bkte\u0159\u00ed z\u016fstali o sly\u0161en\u00ed, nezm\u00ednil jsem t\u0159eba dermatology, kte\u0159\u00ed vypadli z t\u011bch indikac\u00ed, by\u0165 tam konopn\u00e9 masti jsou dnes b\u011b\u017en\u011b pou\u017e\u00edv\u00e1ny a samoz\u0159ejm\u011b ta jejich \u00fa\u010dinn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed forma d\u00edky l\u00e9\u010debn\u00e9mu konop\u00ed by si je\u0161t\u011b roz\u0161\u00ed\u0159ila tu skupinu pacient\u016f. Oni to taky dost dlouho nemohli v\u016fbec p\u0159edepsat, respektive dote\u010f nen\u00ed jasn\u00e9, jestli v\u016fbec ten, ten syst\u00e9m na to p\u0159edepisov\u00e1n\u00ed l\u00e9k\u016f za \u010dtvrt\u00e9 l\u00e9kov\u00e9 skupiny skute\u010dn\u011b bude fungovat. A vlastn\u011b prvn\u00ed n\u011bjak\u00e9, n\u011bjak\u00e1 standardy toho, jak by to m\u011blo b\u00fdt realizov\u00e1no, byly zve\u0159ejn\u011bny zhruba 7 a\u017e 8 m\u011bs\u00edc\u016f po platnosti toho z\u00e1kona. Tak\u017ee i kdyby to v t\u00e9 dob\u011b n\u011bkdo dovez, co\u017e samoz\u0159ejm\u011b ned\u00e1valo logiku, proto\u017ee to ani nebylo, jak p\u0159edepsat.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Nebylo podle \u010deho. A m\u00e1me to tady. T\u0159i\u010dtvrt\u011b roku, pane Hegere.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Leo\u0161 HEGER<br \/>\nNo, ten z\u00e1kon po\u010d\u00edtal s ro\u010dn\u00edm n\u00e1b\u011bhem t\u00e9 v\u011bci.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Pro p\u011bstitele<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Leo\u0161 HEGER,<br \/>\nProto\u017ee je to velmi slo\u017eit\u00e9. A jak to \u0159\u00edkal pan kolega, tak my jsme v tom na rozvojov\u00e9 hran\u011b oproti jin\u00e9mu sv\u011btu. Tak\u017ee to jsou v\u011bci, kter\u00e9 opravdu se k\u0159\u00ed\u017e\u00ed s protidrogovou \u00famluvou a vy\u017eaduj\u00ed velkou opatrnost, aby se nerozjely na z\u00e1klad\u011b toho, \u017ee n\u011bkte\u0159\u00ed lid\u00e9 prost\u011b maj\u00ed samol\u00e9\u010ditelsk\u00e9 zku\u0161enosti, tam je pot\u0159eba, aby medic\u00edna byla velmi opatrn\u00e1. A to je probl\u00e9m.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tak panu Majzl\u00edkovi, pros\u00edm, pora\u010fte, pane doktore, co tedy. On m\u00e1 vlastn\u00ed zku\u0161enost, kter\u00e1 funguje. Tak mu pora\u010fte, co m\u00e1 d\u011blat.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Leo\u0161 HEGER,<br \/>\nNo, tak jestli\u017ee si jeho dcera na to zvykla a dneska nen\u00ed neleg\u00e1ln\u00ed, kdy\u017e m\u00e1 pacient l\u00e1tku kter\u00e1 je pova\u017eov\u00e1na za drogu, u sebe v rozumn\u00e9m mno\u017estv\u00ed, tak p\u0159inejmen\u0161\u00edm v tomhle tom nastal na t\u00e9 na\u0161\u00ed sc\u00e9n\u011b na pomez\u00ed drogov\u00e9 a l\u00e9\u010debn\u00e9 jist\u00fd pokrok, kter\u00e9ho je mo\u017eno vyu\u017e\u00edvat. Tot\u00e9\u017e plat\u00ed o t\u011bch gerontologick\u00fdch pacientech. J\u00e1 v\u00edm, \u017ee n\u011bkte\u0159\u00ed si ulevuj\u00ed pr\u00e1\u0161ky, n\u011bkte\u0159\u00ed si ulevuj\u00ed alkoholem. A n\u011bkte\u0159\u00ed vz\u00e1cn\u011b si ulevuj\u00ed t\u011bmihle v\u011bcmi.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tak\u017ee je to jaksi ale na z\u00e1klad\u011b jin\u00fdch pravidel ne\u017e t\u011bch, kter\u00e9 tedy to jaksi tady m\u011bly oficieln\u011b l\u00e9\u010debn\u011b zav\u00e9st.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Leo\u0161 HEGER<br \/>\nNo, ta nad\u011bje, kter\u00e1 byla d\u00e1v\u00e1na do toho z\u00e1kona, samoz\u0159ejm\u011b byla velmi p\u0159ed\u010dasn\u00e1 a velmi bylo zv\u00fdraz\u0148ov\u00e1no, jak\u00fd je to z\u00e1zrak. Ale pak se uk\u00e1zalo, \u017ee jenom ten z\u00e1kon napsat, tak jak byl p\u0159edlo\u017een, tak byl prost\u011b legislativci odm\u00edtnut a trvalo to t\u00e9m\u011b\u0159 rok, ne\u017e se narodilo n\u011bco, co aspo\u0148 je legislativn\u011b \u00fanosn\u00e9, a te\u010fka se rod\u00ed, \u017ee u\u017e se to v tomhle roce za\u010dne u n\u00e1s p\u011bstovat a n\u011bjak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem se to posune.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Pane Majzl\u00edku, pane Hegere, pane Kub\u016f, d\u011bkuju za \u00fa\u010dast v Ud\u00e1lostech, koment\u00e1\u0159\u00edch, na shledanou.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div class=\"mh-excerpt\"><p>N\u011bkd\u011bj\u0161\u00ed ministr zdravotnictv\u00ed Leo\u0161 Heger a \u010dlen peti\u010dn\u00edho v\u00fdboru L\u00e9\u010debn\u00e9 konop\u00ed Pavel Kub\u016f hovo\u0159ili v po\u0159adu \u010cesk\u00e9 televize o tom, pro\u010d si lid\u00e9 dosud l\u00e9\u010debn\u00e9 <a class=\"mh-excerpt-more\" href=\"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=15519\" title=\"Pro\u010d se st\u00e1le \u010dek\u00e1 na l\u00e9\u010debn\u00e9 konop\u00ed?\">[&#8230;]<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":219,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-15519","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-rozhovory"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15519","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=15519"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15519\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/219"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=15519"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=15519"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=15519"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}