{"id":16266,"date":"2014-05-24T13:37:28","date_gmt":"2014-05-24T11:37:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=16266"},"modified":"2014-10-17T22:31:10","modified_gmt":"2014-10-17T20:31:10","slug":"holomek-chce-pozitivni-diskriminaci-pro-romy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=16266","title":{"rendered":"Holomek chce pozitivn\u00ed diskriminaci pro Romy"},"content":{"rendered":"

Jeho otec byl prvn\u00edm vysoko\u0161kolsky vzd\u011blan\u00fdm Romem v \u010ceskoslovensku. P\u0159edseda brn\u011bnsk\u00e9ho Spole\u010denstv\u00ed Rom\u016f Karel Holomek m\u00edn\u00ed, \u017ee romsk\u00e9 komunit\u011b by pomohla pozitivn\u00ed diskriminace, aby lid\u00e9 neztratili pracovn\u00ed n\u00e1vyky.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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– Jak dok\u00e1zal kluk z romsk\u00e9 osady nakonec vystudovat Karlovu univerzitu?<\/strong><\/p>\n

T\u00e1ta byl cti\u017e\u00e1dostiv\u00fd. Respekt mezi b\u00edl\u00fdmi si ve \u0161kole musel nejd\u0159\u00edv tvrd\u011b vybojovat p\u011bstmi, ne\u017e ho za\u010dali br\u00e1t jako sob\u011b rovn\u00e9ho. U\u017e v roce 1937 absolvoval pr\u00e1va, mluvil n\u011bkolika jazyky. Stal se v\u00fdjime\u010dnou figurou s obrovsk\u00fdm renom\u00e9 mezi Romy, kde ud\u011blal obrovskou v\u00fdchovnou pr\u00e1ci. Bohu\u017eel pak hloup\u011b uv\u011b\u0159il v perspektivu komunismu.<\/p>\n

– Va\u0161e dcera Jana Horv\u00e1tov\u00e1 ale popsala, \u017ee za c\u00edlev\u011bdomost a vnit\u0159n\u00ed sebekontrolu zaplatil depresemi. Byl v\u016fbec schopn\u00fd se uvolnit aspo\u0148 mezi Romy? Jak to m\u00e1te vy?<\/strong><\/p>\n

V n\u011b\u010dem podobn\u011b. Ani j\u00e1 si nevzal za man\u017eelku Romku, vzd\u00e1lil jsem se ko\u0159en\u016fm. A nenau\u010dil se po\u0159\u00e1dn\u011b romsky, proto\u017ee se tak doma nemluvilo. To dodnes c\u00edt\u00edm jako handicap<\/span>. K Rom\u016fm m\u00e1m velmi bl\u00edzk\u00fd vztah, je to moje krev, v\u017edy\u0165 ze strany otce zem\u0159ela v koncentr\u00e1ku cel\u00e1 rozv\u011btven\u00e1 rodina. Z\u00e1rove\u0148 jsem v\u016f\u010di nim i kritick\u00fd, proto\u017ee mysl\u00edm, \u017ee zpohodln\u011bli. Propadli se do takov\u00e9 t\u00e9 pasivn\u00ed rezistence. P\u0159esto mysl\u00edm, \u017ee v \u010cesku nemaj\u00ed v\u011bt\u0161\u00edho ochr\u00e1nce ne\u017e m\u011b.<\/p>\n

– \u010c\u00ed vinou Romov\u00e9 zpohodln\u011bli? Pro\u010d se podle v\u00e1s integrace neda\u0159\u00ed?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Vl\u00e1da na to m\u00e1 u\u017e x let obs\u00e1hl\u00e9 pl\u00e1ny, p\u011bkn\u00fdmi slovy se popsaly u\u017e stohy pap\u00edru, ale skutek utek. M\u00e1me tu p\u0159\u00ed\u0161ernou bytovou politiku, lichv\u00e1\u0159e, syst\u00e9m \u0161t\u011bdr\u00fdch soci\u00e1ln\u00edch d\u00e1vek… to v\u0161echno vedlo k destrukci romsk\u00e9 komunity. A \u0159ekl bych, \u017ee v posledn\u00edch letech tady je\u0161t\u011b p\u0159ituhuje. Spole\u010dnost se pot\u00fdk\u00e1 s rasov\u00fdmi p\u0159edsudky, pochoduj\u00ed tady neonacist\u00e9. Tomio Okamura hl\u00e1s\u00e1 u\u017e vylo\u017een\u011b fa\u0161istick\u00e9 n\u00e1zory a pos\u00edl\u00e1 Romy zp\u00e1tky do Indie. Nen\u00ed s\u00e1m, 80 procent lid\u00ed Romy nen\u00e1vid\u00ed. Jen\u017ee ka\u017ed\u00e1 akce vyvol\u00e1v\u00e1 reakci.<\/p>\n

– Nen\u00ed pr\u00e1v\u011b ona odli\u0161n\u00e1 mentalita a syst\u00e9m hodnot jedn\u00edm z d\u016fvod\u016f, pro\u010d nezapadnou mezi upjat\u00e9 St\u0159edoevropany? V\u017edy\u0165 ani v Evropsk\u00e9 unii kdov\u00edco k \u0159e\u0161en\u00ed romsk\u00e9 ot\u00e1zky nevymysleli?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Evropsk\u00e1 unie taky selh\u00e1v\u00e1, ale v zem\u00edch, jako je Holandsko, Belgie, Portugalsko… zkr\u00e1tka v jin\u00fdch ne\u017e v postkomunistick\u00fdch st\u00e1tech panuje jin\u00e1 atmosf\u00e9ra. J\u00e1 to zn\u00e1m z N\u011bmecka, tam nap\u0159\u00edklad maj\u00ed mlad\u00ed lid\u00e9 naprosto rozd\u00edln\u00e9 n\u00e1zory na to, co je diskriminace. Hloub\u011bji reflektuj\u00ed minulost.<\/p>\n

– Vy v\u00edte, jak to ud\u011blat, abychom spolu l\u00e9pe vych\u00e1zeli?<\/strong><\/p>\n

R\u00e1d bych to v\u011bd\u011bl. Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee se nemus\u00edme vz\u00e1jemn\u011b milovat, ale m\u011bli bychom se respektovat. Sp\u00ed\u0161 ne\u017e vst\u0159\u00edcnou tv\u00e1\u0159\u00ed toho lze podle m\u00e9ho doc\u00edlit tolerantn\u011bj\u0161\u00edm ovzdu\u0161\u00edm. Nep\u016fjde to, dokud lid\u00e9 nepochop\u00ed, \u017ee sou\u017eit\u00ed \u2013 a klidn\u011b \u0159\u00edkejme sou\u017eit\u00ed se sk\u0159\u00edp\u011bn\u00edm zub\u016f \u2013 je p\u0159\u00edkaz. Z hlediska ekonomiky, kultivace spole\u010dnosti… Jednodu\u0161e nen\u00ed jin\u00e9 cesty ne\u017e spolu za\u010d\u00edt vych\u00e1zet.<\/p>\n

R\u00e1d si zaryjete t\u0159eba do vl\u00e1dn\u00ed agentury pro soci\u00e1ln\u00ed za\u010dle\u0148ov\u00e1n\u00ed. Co v\u00e1m vad\u00ed?<\/strong><\/p>\n

To je podle m\u011b pon\u011bkud kontroverzn\u00ed byrokratick\u00e1 instituce a vn\u00edmaj\u00ed ji tak i mnoz\u00ed starostov\u00e9, kte\u0159\u00ed nesn\u00e1\u0161ej\u00ed mentorsk\u00fd p\u0159\u00edstup. Zrovna v posledn\u00edm \u010d\u00edsle na\u0161eho \u010dasopisu Romano Hangos se taky pozastavujeme nad t\u00edm, \u017ee agentura dost\u00e1v\u00e1 37 milion\u016f korun. Takov\u00fdch pen\u011bz! Oni dovedou popsat devades\u00e1t str\u00e1nek pap\u00edru o tom, co v\u0161echno ud\u011blali. Jen\u017ee nemaj\u00ed zp\u011btnou vazbu.<\/p>\n

– Sv\u00e9ho \u010dasu jste zam\u011bstn\u00e1val Romy ve stavebn\u00ed firm\u011b. Jak\u00e9 m\u00e1te zku\u0161enosti s jejich pracovn\u00ed mor\u00e1lkou?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Po pravd\u011b dobr\u00e9 i \u0161patn\u00e9. Romov\u00e9 se kv\u016fli pr\u00e1ci kolikr\u00e1t ocitnou v ne\u0159e\u0161iteln\u00e9 situaci, p\u0159itom p\u0159\u00edle\u017eitost\u00ed je \u2013 lesy, \u010dern\u00e9 skl\u00e1dky, \u00faklid… Vr\u00e1til jsem se te\u010f z Vysok\u00e9ho M\u00fdta, tam se radnici poda\u0159ilo zam\u011bstnat asi pades\u00e1t Rom\u016f. J\u00e1 bych se dokonce p\u0159imlouval, aby obce zam\u011bstn\u00e1valy na ve\u0159ejn\u011b prosp\u011b\u0161n\u00fdch prac\u00edch Romy p\u0159ednostn\u011b. T\u0159eba jen pro p\u0159iv\u00fdd\u011blek k d\u00e1vk\u00e1m, aby neztratili pracovn\u00ed n\u00e1vyky. Klidn\u011b tomu \u0159\u00edkejme pozitivn\u00ed diskriminace. Byl bych i pro n\u011bjak\u00fd z\u00e1kon, kter\u00fd by t\u0159ebas i n\u00e1sil\u00edm dostal d\u011bti do dobr\u00fdch \u0161kol. P\u0159inutil rodi\u010de, aby se zaj\u00edmali o jejich prosp\u011bch.<\/p>\n

– No pr\u00e1v\u011b. V\u017edy\u0165 tu m\u00e1me generaci t\u0159ic\u00e1tn\u00edk\u016f, kte\u0159\u00ed maj\u00ed sotva vystudovanou z\u00e1kladku a nikdy nevid\u011bli sv\u00e9 rodi\u010de pracovat.<\/strong><\/p>\n

To je smutn\u00e1 skute\u010dnost. J\u00e1 mluv\u00edm rovnou o ztracen\u00e9 generaci.<\/p>\n

– Ve va\u0161em sdru\u017een\u00ed se sna\u017e\u00edte posilovat identitu etnika. Dok\u00e1\u017eete v\u0161ak oslovit i tuhle „ztracenou generaci“?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sna\u017e\u00edme se o to. Je t\u0159eba ukazovat to, co je na Romech dobr\u00e9. Maj\u00ed sv\u00e9bytnou kulturu, jsou muzik\u00e1ln\u00ed. J\u00e1 v\u011b\u0159\u00edm na pozitivn\u00ed sign\u00e1ly sm\u011brem k majorit\u011b. Jedn\u00edm z nich je i sv\u011btov\u00fd romsk\u00fd festival Khamoro, kter\u00fd v ned\u011bli za\u010d\u00edn\u00e1 v Praze. A j\u00e1 m\u00e1m radost, \u017ee to funguje i naopak. T\u0159eba minul\u00fd v\u00edkend p\u0159i\u0161lo do na\u0161eho Muzea romsk\u00e9 kultury v Brn\u011b v r\u00e1mci muzejn\u00ed noci na patn\u00e1ct set lid\u00ed. I moje dcera Jana se ke sv\u00fdm ko\u0159en\u016fm musela prokopat. Je\u0161t\u011b na vysok\u00e9 \u0161kole m\u011bla komplexy kv\u016fli p\u016fvodu a tajila ho. Dnes to muzeum vede, m\u00e1 za man\u017eela \u010distokrevn\u00e9ho Roma, mimochodem skv\u011bl\u00e9ho kardiochirurga.<\/p>\n

cel\u00fd rozhovor je na str\u00e1nk\u00e1ch dne\u0161n\u00edho vyd\u00e1n\u00ed MfD<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Mlad\u00e1 fronta Dnes<\/p>\n

ilustra\u010dn\u00ed foto: Flickr.com<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Jeho otec byl prvn\u00edm vysoko\u0161kolsky vzd\u011blan\u00fdm Romem v \u010ceskoslovensku. P\u0159edseda brn\u011bnsk\u00e9ho Spole\u010denstv\u00ed Rom\u016f Karel Holomek m\u00edn\u00ed, \u017ee romsk\u00e9 komunit\u011b by pomohla pozitivn\u00ed diskriminace, aby lid\u00e9 […]<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":15780,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-16266","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-rozhovory"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16266","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=16266"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16266\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/15780"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=16266"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=16266"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=16266"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}