{"id":18233,"date":"2014-11-06T10:52:03","date_gmt":"2014-11-06T09:52:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=18233"},"modified":"2014-11-06T11:07:18","modified_gmt":"2014-11-06T10:07:18","slug":"integrace-romu-ct","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=18233","title":{"rendered":"Okamura: U integrace Rom\u016f bychom si m\u011bli br\u00e1t p\u0159\u00edklad ze Slovenska"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Jak pomoci romsk\u00fdm a soci\u00e1ln\u011b vy\u010dlen\u011bn\u00fdm d\u011btem, aby se co nejl\u00e9pe integrovaly do spole\u010dnosti?\u00a0 Jak zabr\u00e1nit jejich zneu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1n\u00ed? O tom mluvil v po\u0159adu \u010cesk\u00e9 televize poslanec a p\u0159edseda hnut\u00ed \u00dasvit Tomio OKAMURA (foto).<\/strong><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u010cesk\u00e1 televiz<\/strong>e<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rasov\u00fd probl\u00e9m, \u017ee rodi\u010de odhla\u0161uj\u00ed sv\u00e9 d\u011bti i t\u0159eba ze t\u0159\u00edd, kde \u017eily a fungovaly norm\u00e1ln\u011b s romsk\u00fdmi d\u011btmi a s romsk\u00fdmi \u017e\u00e1ky. A \u017ee se toto d\u011bje i na z\u00e1klad\u011b rasov\u00fdch d\u016fvod\u016f. Jestli p\u0159ipou\u0161t\u00edte, \u017ee i toto m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt t\u00edm d\u016fvodem, kdy\u017e o tom mluv\u00ed \u0161\u00e9fka odboru \u0161kolstv\u00ed?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>J\u00e1 ty informace nem\u00e1m, ale ur\u010dit\u011b ty p\u0159edsudky tam m\u016f\u017eou b\u00fdt. Proto j\u00e1 bych se r\u00e1d dostal kone\u010dn\u011b k t\u011bm n\u00e1vrh\u016fm \u0159e\u0161en\u00ed, jak pr\u00e1v\u011b tyto p\u0159edsudky odstranit. To, abysme mal\u00fdm d\u011btem u\u017e umo\u017enili, romsk\u00fdm a soci\u00e1ln\u011b vy\u010dlen\u011bn\u00fdm, aby se co nejl\u00e9pe integrovaly do majoritn\u00ed spole\u010dnosti od za\u010d\u00e1tku. D\u00e1le podm\u00ednit vypl\u00e1cen\u00ed d\u00e1vek, pravidelnou \u0161koln\u00ed doch\u00e1zku bez neomluven\u00fdch hodin. A pravideln\u00fdmi hygienick\u00fdm prohl\u00eddkami. Je to slovensk\u00fd model, kdo prost\u011b nebude pos\u00edlat d\u011bti do \u0161koly, nebude m\u00edt d\u00e1vky. A mus\u00ed to b\u00fdt propojen\u00e9 taky s vymahatelnost\u00ed pr\u00e1va.<\/p>\n<p><strong> A co m\u00e1te na mysli t\u011bmi hygienick\u00fdmi prohl\u00eddkami?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Tomio OKAMURA,:<br \/>\nJ\u00e1 jsem se o to zaj\u00edmal, pro\u010d vlastn\u011b Slov\u00e1ci o tomto hovo\u0159\u00ed. To je vlastn\u011b ze Slovenska p\u0159evzato. Proto\u017ee p\u0159esn\u011b, jak se uv\u00e1d\u00ed v t\u00e9 zpr\u00e1v\u011b, kterou dneska byla zve\u0159ejn\u011bna, tak si vemte, \u017ee v podstat\u011b 28 procent \u017e\u00e1k\u016f vzd\u011bl\u00e1van\u00fdch je lehce ment\u00e1ln\u011b posti\u017een\u00fdch. A odborn\u00edci skryt\u011b \u0159\u00edkaj\u00ed, a j\u00e1 pro to nem\u00e1m d\u016fkazy, ale bylo mi to \u0159e\u010deno, \u017ee tam pr\u00e1v\u011b \u010dasto doch\u00e1z\u00ed t\u0159eba ke zneu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1n\u00ed d\u011bt\u00ed. Je to ze Slovenska. Pr\u00e1v\u011b proto je pot\u0159eba zav\u00e9st ty hygienick\u00e9 podm\u00ednky, a pr\u00e1v\u011b proto se ty d\u011bti, jak to prob\u00edh\u00e1 t\u0159eba \u010dasto v rodin\u00e1ch, zn\u00e1m, v\u00edm to z doslechu, te\u010f m\u011b jako na tom neva\u0159te, tak se \u010dasto rod\u00ed ment\u00e1ln\u011b posti\u017een\u00ed. &#8230;.Hygienick\u00fd probl\u00e9m je v tom, aby v podstat\u011b <span class=\"highlight\">l\u00e9ka\u0159<\/span> mohl prohl\u00e9dnout ty d\u011bti, jestli nejsou t\u0159eba doma zneu\u017e\u00edvan\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Zdali nejsou zneu\u017e\u00edvan\u00e9. A to by se m\u011blo dot\u00fdkat asi v\u0161ech d\u011bt\u00ed v t\u00e9to zemi, p\u0159edpokl\u00e1d\u00e1m, proto\u017ee i to se d\u011bje. A to se d\u011bje i v rodin\u00e1ch, kter\u00e9 nejsou nijak soci\u00e1ln\u011b vy\u010dlen\u011bn\u00e9.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Tomio OKAMURA,:<br \/>\nPros\u00edm v\u00e1s, jako na tom Slovensku to aplikuj\u00ed, nebo tam je ten syst\u00e9m uveden tak, \u017ee je to u t\u011bchto soci\u00e1ln\u011b vy\u010dlen\u011bn\u00fdch, nebo\u00a0 t\u011bchhle t\u011bch lid\u00ed. J\u00e1 odm\u00edt\u00e1m, aby se n\u011bco zav\u00e1d\u011blo plo\u0161n\u011b. To je, mysl\u00edm, \u00fapln\u011b zbyte\u010dn\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tak pro\u010d o tom mluv\u00edte, vy byste to cht\u011bl zav\u00e1d\u011bt, nebo byste to necht\u011bl zav\u00e1d\u011bt?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>J\u00e1 o tom mluv\u00edm tak, \u017ee jsem dal p\u0159\u00edklad funguj\u00edc\u00edho modelu ze Slovenska. Tak j\u00e1 nev\u00edm, to nevymyslel Okamura. J\u00e1 se sna\u017e\u00edm.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dob\u0159e, a je to n\u00e1vrh, kter\u00fd by Okamura prosazoval?<\/strong><br \/>\nJ\u00e1 mysl\u00edm, \u017ee by to byl ur\u010dit\u011b n\u00e1vrh, proto\u017ee je dobr\u00e9 si vz\u00edt p\u0159\u00edklady ze zem\u00ed, kter\u00fd s tou problematikou bojujou. A maj\u00ed n\u011bjak\u00e9 v\u00fdsledky. Jo, tak\u017ee si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee to by bylo ur\u010dit\u011b vhodn\u00e9. D\u00e1le ty ubytovny jsme probrali.<\/p>\n<p><strong>A te\u010f by m\u011b jenom zaj\u00edmalo, k \u010demu by to p\u0159isp\u011blo?<\/strong><br \/>\nNo, p\u0159isp\u00edv\u00e1 to v tom, \u017ee t\u0159eba, kdy\u017e si vzpom\u00edn\u00e1te, j\u00e1 jsem tam jako jedin\u00fd politik to s kolegou Martinem \u010cernochem nav\u0161t\u00edvil. Byly to ty Str\u00fd\u010dkovice u Doma\u017elic letos. To je, jak tam dva ment\u00e1ln\u011b posti\u017een\u00ed Romov\u00e9 vlastn\u011b terorizovali vesnici, a t\u011b\u017ece tam zranili m\u00edstn\u00ed obyvatele. A potom se p\u0159i\u0161lo na to, \u017ee vlastn\u011b oba dva maj\u00ed, kdy\u017e to \u0159eknu jednodu\u0161e, pap\u00edry na hlavu a nejsou v podstat\u011b trestn\u011b ani odpov\u011bdn\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dob\u0159e, ale v\u00edte o tom, \u017ee zneu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1n\u00ed d\u011bt\u00ed nar\u016fst\u00e1 v rodin\u00e1ch bez ohledu na to, jak\u00e9ho jsou p\u016fvodu nebo soci\u00e1ln\u00edho za\u0159azen\u00ed?<\/strong><br \/>\nJ\u00e1 nev\u00edm, jak jste na tom vy, ale j\u00e1 jsem mnoho let ofici\u00e1ln\u00edm patronem Klok\u00e1nku.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J\u00e1 nemohu b\u00fdt ofici\u00e1ln\u00edm partnerem \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9 takov\u00e9to instituce, proto\u017ee jsem redaktorkou ve\u0159ejnopr\u00e1vn\u00ed televize.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Jsem sponzorem a partnerem Klok\u00e1nku. A kdybyste vid\u011bla, jak jsou tam ty d\u011bti, kdo tam v\u0161echno je za d\u011bti, jsou to ot\u0159esn\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edpady. A zrovna v tom Klok\u00e1nku, kter\u00fd m\u00e1m na starosti j\u00e1, v Chabo\u0159ovick\u00e9 ulici na Praze 8, nen\u00ed ani jedno romsk\u00e9 d\u00edt\u011b, jsem tam nikdy nevid\u011bl. A jak jsou ty d\u011bti, maj\u00ed ot\u0159esn\u00e9 osudy, v\u010detn\u011b zneu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1n\u00ed, tak vy se m\u011b pt\u00e1te, jestli v\u00edm. J\u00e1 se tomu v\u011bnuju l\u00e9ta u\u017e tomu probl\u00e9mu, tak\u017ee opravdu v\u00edm a osobn\u011b se v n\u011bm anga\u017euji.<\/p>\n<p><strong>M\u00e1te prostor to vysv\u011btlit. Zv\u00fd\u0161en\u00e9 mezietnick\u00e9 nap\u011bt\u00ed v n\u011bkter\u00fdch regionech loni podle Bezpe\u010dnostn\u00ed informa\u010dn\u00ed slu\u017eby p\u0159edstavovalo nejv\u00fdrazn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed rizikov\u00fd faktor pro demokratick\u00e9 z\u0159\u00edzen\u00ed \u010cesk\u00e9 republiky.Souhlas\u00edte s t\u00edm?<\/strong><br \/>\nTak ur\u010dit\u011b s t\u00edm souhlas\u00edm. A mus\u00edte \u0159\u00edct i to B, co se v t\u00e9 zpr\u00e1v\u011b BIS p\u00ed\u0161e: &#8220; \u017ee velice negativn\u011b hodnot\u00ed \u010dasto jednostrann\u00e1 a neobjektivn\u00ed vyj\u00e1d\u0159en\u00ed r\u016fzn\u00fdch proromsk\u00fdch aktivist\u016f a nevl\u00e1dn\u00edch skupin, kter\u00e9 ozna\u010duj\u00ed za p\u0159\u00ed\u010dinu neut\u011b\u0161en\u00e9 situace pouze majoritn\u00ed spole\u010dnost a Romy zbavuj\u00ed jak\u00e9koliv odpov\u011bdnosti za dan\u00fd stav&#8220;. A druh\u00e1 v\u011bta: &#8220; Kdy\u017e tuto jednostrannou manipulaci&#8220;.<\/p>\n<p><strong>A dostali jsme se k tomu mezietnick\u00e9mu nap\u011bt\u00ed, o kter\u00e9m mluvila Bezpe\u010dnostn\u00ed informa\u010dn\u00ed slu\u017eba. M\u011b by zaj\u00edmalo, jestli si vy nemysl\u00edte, \u017ee jste t\u0159eba vy osobn\u011b n\u011bkter\u00fdmi sv\u00fdmi v\u00fdroky k tomuto p\u0159isp\u011bl?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Tak to mi je \u0159ekn\u011bte, r\u00e1d si je tady zopakuju. A r\u00e1d je vysv\u011btl\u00edm, proto\u017ee j\u00e1 si za v\u0161emi sv\u00fdmi v\u00fdroky samoz\u0159ejm\u011b stoj\u00edm, pakli\u017ee budou reprodukov\u00e1ny pravdiv\u011b a nebudou posunuty.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Nechci je posouvat. V\u00e1\u0161 facebookov\u00fd profil, m\u016f\u017eu jenom samoz\u0159ejm\u011b nam\u00e1tkov\u011b v\u00e1m p\u0159ipomenout, p\u0159edpokl\u00e1dala jsem, \u017ee si jist\u011b v\u011bt\u0161inu z nich pamatujete, ale: &#8220; To, \u017ee cik\u00e1n je dnes vn\u00edm\u00e1n hanliv\u011b, nen\u00ed vina ani neonacist\u016f ani \u010cech\u016f ani Turk\u016f. To je v prv\u00e9 \u0159ad\u011b hanba Rom\u016f, jejich dlouh\u00e1 stalet\u00ed p\u011bstovan\u00fd \u017eivotn\u00ed styl a \u017eivotn\u00ed hodnoty koliduj\u00ed a kolidovaly s hodnotami ve v\u0161ech civilizovan\u00fdch zem\u00edch&#8220;.<\/strong><br \/>\nA v\u017edy\u0165 to je p\u0159eci \u00fapln\u00e1 pravda a hovo\u0159\u00ed o tom i ta zpr\u00e1va BIS, \u017ee v\u011bt\u0161ina \u010desk\u00fdch ob\u010dan\u016f je frustrov\u00e1na z toho sou\u010dasn\u00e9ho stavu. Tak\u017ee my nab\u00edz\u00edme \u0159e\u0161en\u00ed. Snad mi nechcete \u0159\u00edkat, \u017ee to, \u017ee je slovo Rom nebo cik\u00e1n vn\u00edm\u00e1no hanliv\u011b, \u017ee za to m\u016f\u017ee majoritn\u00ed \u010desk\u00e1 spole\u010dnost? Promi\u0148te, tak to je, mysl\u00edm, \u017ee tro\u0161ku posunut\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Vy t\u0159eba p\u00ed\u0161ete v\u011btu, j\u00e1 se v\u00e1s pt\u00e1m na to, jak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem vy p\u0159em\u00fd\u0161l\u00edte. M\u011b to jenom zaj\u00edm\u00e1. Vy \u0159\u00edk\u00e1te: &#8220; To je v prv\u00e9 \u0159ad\u011b hanba Rom\u016f&#8220;. A te\u010f vy v podstat\u011b v\u016fbec tady nevylu\u010dujete jednotliv\u00e9 individuality. Vid\u00edte vy ty rozd\u00edly? Proto\u017ee jste dnes mluvil o tom, \u017ee ano? Ale v podstat\u011b ten, kdo je nevid\u00ed, a ten, kdo individualitu spojuje se skupinou bez ohledu na rozd\u00edly, tak v podstat\u011b si \u0159\u00edk\u00e1 o to, \u017ee je ozna\u010dov\u00e1n za xenofoba a za rasistu, jako se to stalo v\u00e1m.<\/strong><br \/>\nNo tak te\u010f jsme se asi tro\u0161ku neposlouchali. Proto\u017ee jak jsem v\u00e1m \u0159\u00edkal, tak j\u00e1 s Romy b\u011b\u017en\u011b spolupracuji na n\u00e1vrz\u00edch \u0159e\u0161en\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Poslouchali jsme se, m\u011b jenom zaj\u00edm\u00e1, jak o tom p\u0159em\u00fd\u0161l\u00edte?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Dokonce n\u00e1\u0161e n\u00e1vrhy z\u00e1kon\u016f konzultuji s romsk\u00fdmi sdru\u017een\u00edmi. A t\u0159eba, kdy\u017e \u0159eknu konkr\u00e9tn\u011b o na\u0161em n\u00e1vrhu na z\u00e1kaz hazardu a omezen\u00ed lichvy, kdy jsem o tom mluvil s romsk\u00fdmi sdru\u017een\u00edmi na s\u00eddli\u0161ti Ch\u00e1nov. Nev\u00edm, jestli jste to, ho n\u011bkdy osobn\u011b nav\u0161t\u00edvila, j\u00e1 ano.A jednal jsem tam, tak to Romov\u00e9 velice uv\u00edtali. A \u0159\u00edkali, \u017ee je to v\u00fdborn\u00fd n\u00e1vrh, proto\u017ee pr\u00e1v\u011b ten, to, \u017ee je povolen\u00fd hazard, tak to je stahuje d\u00e1l a d\u00e1l do t\u00e9 pasti. Stejn\u011b tak, stejn\u011b tak s t\u011bmi.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J\u00e1 se pr\u00e1v\u011b pt\u00e1m na to, jestli vy t\u00edm, jak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem pou\u017e\u00edv\u00e1te ten zobec\u0148uj\u00edc\u00ed p\u0159\u00edstup a jazyk, jste nemohl p\u0159isp\u011bt k tomu, o \u010dem p\u00ed\u0161e BIS?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>J\u00e1 jsem, j\u00e1 jsem nikdy nic nezobec\u0148oval. J\u00e1 jsem byl cel\u00fd \u017eivot naopak ob\u011bt\u00ed rasismu majoritn\u00ed \u010desk\u00e9 spole\u010dnosti. Mo\u017en\u00e1, \u017ee vy taky, proto\u017ee jste tak\u00e9 nap\u016fl z ciziny. Ale j\u00e1 ur\u010dit\u011b ano. A byl jsem i ter\u010dem \u0161ikany, tak\u017ee v\u00edm, co je to rasismus. J\u00e1 v\u00edm, co je to rasismus, na rozd\u00edl od t\u011bch, co to nev\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ano, pakli\u017ee bysme se bavili o tomhle, tak j\u00e1 to samoz\u0159ejm\u011b v\u00edm tak\u00e9. Ale tak\u00e9 z\u00e1rove\u0148 v\u00edm, tak\u00e9 z\u00e1rove\u0148 v\u00edm, \u017ee nez\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed v\u016fbec na tom, jak\u00e9ho p\u016fvodu \u010dlov\u011bk je, z jak\u00e9 zem\u011b poch\u00e1z\u00ed.<\/strong><br \/>\nSouhlas.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Proto\u017ee rasist\u00e9 jsou ve v\u0161ech zem\u00edch na v\u0161ech kontinentech.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Absolutn\u00ed souhlas. Absolutn\u00ed souhlas.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tak\u017ee to je v\u00fdmluva, kter\u00e1 neplat\u00ed ani pro m\u011b ani pro v\u00e1s.<\/strong><br \/>\nAbsolutn\u00ed souhlas. J\u00e1 rasismus absolutn\u011b odm\u00edt\u00e1m. Naopak j\u00e1 jsem s n\u00edm m\u011bl probl\u00e9my cel\u00fd \u017eivot, \u017ee jsem byl ob\u011bt\u00ed rasismu. A n\u011bjak\u00fdch, n\u011bjak\u00fdch nad\u00e1vek a podobn\u011b. M\u016fj syn je, je tak\u00e9 t\u0159\u00ed\u010dtvrte\u010dn\u00ed Japonec, proto\u017ee jeho maminka je, je Japonka, tak\u017ee j\u00e1 v\u016fbec nem\u00e1m probl\u00e9m. My v \u00dasvitu nerozli\u0161ujeme lidi podle barvy pleti. My je rozli\u0161ujeme na, na lidi slu\u0161n\u00e9 a neslu\u0161n\u00e9. A r\u00e1d bych podporoval v\u017edycky jenom ty slu\u0161n\u00e9. Ale zde navrhuji i \u0159e\u0161en\u00ed, proto\u017ee pakli\u017ee m\u00e1me n\u011bjak\u00e9 neslu\u0161n\u00e9 \u010desk\u00e9 st\u00e1tn\u00ed ob\u010dany, tak jsem tady navrhl konkr\u00e9tn\u00ed \u0159e\u0161en\u00ed, kter\u00e1 tato vl\u00e1da zam\u00edt\u00e1. Jsou to \u0159e\u0161en\u00ed ze sv\u011bta. A bez jak\u00e9koliv koncepce t\u00e9to vl\u00e1dy. To znamen\u00e1, ta frustrace bude jenom stoupat. Je to probl\u00e9m.<\/p>\n<p><em>invArena, redak\u010dn\u011b kr\u00e1ceno<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div class=\"mh-excerpt\"><p>Jak pomoci romsk\u00fdm a soci\u00e1ln\u011b vy\u010dlen\u011bn\u00fdm d\u011btem, aby se co nejl\u00e9pe integrovaly do spole\u010dnosti?\u00a0 Jak zabr\u00e1nit jejich zneu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1n\u00ed? 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