{"id":18849,"date":"2014-12-10T12:21:14","date_gmt":"2014-12-10T11:21:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=18849"},"modified":"2014-12-10T19:08:56","modified_gmt":"2014-12-10T18:08:56","slug":"cesko-bude-mit-detskeho-ombudsmana-bude-bojovat-o-ceske-deti-v-norsku","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=18849","title":{"rendered":"\u010cesko bude m\u00edt d\u011btsk\u00e9ho ombudsmana. Bude bojovat o „norsk\u00e9 d\u011bti“?"},"content":{"rendered":"

V souvislosti s ve\u0159ejn\u00fdm ochr\u00e1ncem pr\u00e1v se hodn\u011b mluv\u00ed taky o d\u011btsk\u00e9m ombudsmanovi, proto\u017ee \u010cesko je jednou z posledn\u00edch zem\u00ed ze \u010dty\u0159 v Evropsk\u00e9 unii, kter\u00e1 dosud nem\u00e1 d\u011btsk\u00e9ho ombudsmana. Kdy se to zm\u011bn\u00ed? O tom hovo\u0159il v po\u0159adu Interview \u010cT 24\u00a0 ministr pro lidsk\u00e1 pr\u00e1va Ji\u0159\u00ed Dienstbier (\u010cSSD).<\/strong>
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ilustra\u010dn\u00ed foto: C\\’est moi! Flickr<\/em><\/p>\n

Kdy se to zm\u011bn\u00ed?<\/strong><\/p>\n

DIENSTBIER:
\nJ\u00e1 douf\u00e1m, \u017ee se to zm\u011bn\u00ed je\u0161t\u011b v tomto volebn\u00edm obdob\u00ed Poslaneck\u00e9 sn\u011bmovny. My jsme m\u011bli velmi ned\u00e1vno na \u00da\u0159adu vl\u00e1dy semin\u00e1\u0159 pr\u00e1v\u011b na t\u00e9ma d\u011btsk\u00e9ho ombudsmana.<\/p>\n

moder\u00e1torka: Jak\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edpady by ten d\u011btsk\u00fd ombudsman \u0159e\u0161il? Jde mi o to, jestli ty podn\u011bty by vze\u0161ly od d\u011bt\u00ed, nebo by mohly ty podn\u011bty d\u00e1vat i lidi norm\u00e1ln\u011b b\u011b\u017en\u011b, \u017ee by se dozv\u011bd\u011bli o n\u011bjak\u00e9m d\u00edt\u011bti, kter\u00fdm, kter\u00e9 m\u00e1 probl\u00e9m?<\/p>\n

DIENSTBIER,:
\nOno vlastn\u011b u\u017e dnes se mohou d\u011bti, anebo z\u00e1konn\u00ed z\u00e1stupci d\u011bt\u00ed obracet na ve\u0159ejn\u00e9ho ochr\u00e1nce pr\u00e1v. A tak\u00e9 kancel\u00e1\u0159 ve\u0159ejn\u00e9ho ochr\u00e1nce pr\u00e1v. N\u011bkter\u00e9 takov\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edpady \u0159e\u0161\u00ed, ale nen\u00ed to tak systematick\u00e9, nen\u00ed to samoz\u0159ejm\u011b priorita. V p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b, \u017ee by se z\u0159\u00eddil takzvan\u00fd d\u011btsk\u00fd ombudsman, kter\u00fd by se zam\u011b\u0159oval zejm\u00e9na na tuto oblast, tak by ta ochrana pr\u00e1v byla asi mnohem efektivn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed, mohly by se na n\u011bj obracet p\u0159\u00edmo tak\u00e9 d\u011bti. A samoz\u0159ejm\u011b komunikace s d\u011btmi je jin\u00e1, je do jist\u00e9 m\u00edry slo\u017eit\u011bj\u0161\u00ed, vy\u017eaduje je\u0161t\u011b mnohem v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed citlivost, ne\u017e \u0159e\u0161en\u00ed jin\u00fdch p\u0159\u00edpad\u016f, tak\u017ee.<\/p>\n

moder\u00e1torka:Velmi aktu\u00e1ln\u00ed je te\u010f p\u0159\u00edpad dvou bratr\u016f v Norsku, kte\u0159\u00ed jsou \u010ce\u0161i, jejich matka o n\u011b p\u0159i\u0161la kv\u016fli podez\u0159en\u00ed ze sexu\u00e1ln\u00edho zneu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1n\u00ed, kter\u00e9 se ale neprok\u00e1zalo, a matka dodnes s t\u011bmi d\u011btmi nen\u00ed. Je to p\u0159\u00edpad, o kter\u00fd by se pr\u00e1v\u011b d\u011btsk\u00fd ombudsman zaj\u00edmal?<\/p>\n

DIENSTBIER,:
\nMohl by to b\u00fdt takov\u00fd p\u0159\u00edklad, ale nen\u00ed asi \u00fapln\u011b typick\u00fd, proto\u017ee samoz\u0159ejm\u011b ombudsman, a\u0165 u\u017e ten d\u011btsk\u00fd, anebo ten, kter\u00e9ho u\u017e m\u00e1me dnes, tak \u0159e\u0161\u00ed samoz\u0159ejm\u011b p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm p\u0159\u00edpady poru\u0161ov\u00e1n\u00ed pr\u00e1v na \u00fazem\u00ed \u010cesk\u00e9 republiky, tak\u017ee.<\/p>\n

moder\u00e1torka:Nakolik do tohoto p\u0159\u00edpadu m\u016f\u017ee zas\u00e1hnout \u010desk\u00fd st\u00e1t, pota\u017emo t\u0159eba v\u00e1\u0161 \u00fa\u0159ad? Proto\u017ee vy jste ministr pro lidsk\u00e1 pr\u00e1va, m\u016f\u017eete se vy v tom n\u011bjak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem anga\u017eovat?<\/p>\n

DIENSTBIER:
\nM\u016fj \u00fa\u0159ad z hlediska t\u00e9 oblasti, kterou j\u00e1 m\u00e1m na starosti, do toho nem\u016f\u017ee zas\u00e1hnout v podstat\u011b v\u016fbec. Ten, kdo v tom m\u016f\u017ee cosi vykonat, tak je p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm Ministerstvo zahrani\u010d\u00ed. Tedy na\u0161e diplomatick\u00e1 slu\u017eba. A samoz\u0159ejm\u011b Ministerstvo pr\u00e1ce a soci\u00e1ln\u00edch v\u011bc\u00ed, kter\u00e9 pod sebou m\u00e1 \u00da\u0159ad pro mezin\u00e1rodn\u011b pr\u00e1vn\u00ed ochranu d\u011bt\u00ed.<\/p>\n

moder\u00e1torka:Je tedy podle v\u00e1s mo\u017en\u00e9 do takov\u00e9ho p\u0159\u00edpadu, kter\u00fd je ur\u010dit\u011b velmi slo\u017eit\u00fd, jsou tam vztahy rodinn\u00e9, zas\u00e1hnout spravedliv\u011b? Je to v\u016fbec podle v\u00e1s mo\u017en\u00e9?<\/p>\n

DIENSTBIER :
\nTo je samoz\u0159ejm\u011b velmi slo\u017eit\u00e9, a tak\u00e9 ve\u0159ejnosti na to samoz\u0159ejm\u011b reaguje velmi citliv\u011b, p\u0159irozen\u011b. V\u017edy, kdy\u017e se n\u011bjak\u00e1 kauza t\u00fdk\u00e1 d\u011bt\u00ed, tak je mnohem citliv\u011bji vn\u00edm\u00e1na mezi lidmi. Ale j\u00e1 tedy mus\u00edm \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee je to velmi slo\u017eit\u00e9, proto\u017ee i pro m\u011b je n\u011bkdy slo\u017eit\u00e9 se p\u0159esn\u011b v t\u00e9 situaci zorientovat, proto\u017ee ani j\u00e1 nem\u00e1m p\u0159\u00edstup ke v\u0161em informac\u00edm, kter\u00e9 se t\u00e9 kauzy t\u00fdkaj\u00ed. Nap\u0159\u00edklad je velmi d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9, \u017ee podle m\u00fdch informac\u00ed matka t\u011bchto d\u011bt\u00ed v Norsku nevy\u010derpala v\u0161echny pr\u00e1vn\u00ed prost\u0159edky, kter\u00e9 ona sama m\u00e1 podle norsk\u00fdch z\u00e1kon\u016f. A je to samoz\u0159ejm\u011b taky velmi slo\u017eit\u00e9, proto\u017ee my nem\u016f\u017eeme na\u0159izovat norsk\u00fdm \u00fa\u0159ad\u016fm, jak maj\u00ed v t\u00e9to v\u011bci postupovat. I tam rozhoduj\u00ed nez\u00e1visl\u00e9 soudy, a samoz\u0159ejm\u011b nap\u0159\u00edklad \u010dlen vl\u00e1dy, a dokonce t\u0159eba ani ministr spravedlnosti nem\u016f\u017ee na\u0159izovat \u010desk\u00fdm soud\u016fm, jak maj\u00ed v takov\u00fdchto v\u011bcech rozhodovat. Nato\u017e abychom na\u0159izovali norsk\u00fdm soud\u016fm, jak v takov\u00e9 kauze budou jednat, jak budou ten p\u0159\u00edpad rozhodovat. Tak\u017ee nen\u00ed to v\u016fbec jednoduch\u00e9.<\/p>\n

moder\u00e1torka:lidi Norsko vn\u00edmaj\u00ed jako soci\u00e1ln\u00ed st\u00e1t. M\u011b by zaj\u00edmalo, jestli vy m\u00e1te n\u011bjak\u00e9 informace o tom, \u017ee v tomhle p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b n\u011bkdo tam ud\u011blal chybu, \u017ee nepostupovaly \u00fa\u0159ady spr\u00e1vn\u011b? Proto\u017ee m\u011b to p\u0159ekvapuje, \u017ee v Norsku by se mohlo st\u00e1t n\u011bco takov\u00e9ho.<\/p>\n

DIENSTBIER:
\nM\u011b to p\u0159ekvapuje tak\u00e9, proto\u017ee j\u00e1 Norsko pova\u017euji za civilizovanou evropskou zemi, jak jste sama \u0159\u00edkala, se siln\u00fdm soci\u00e1ln\u00edm st\u00e1tem. Ale samoz\u0159ejm\u011b ani v t\u00e9 nejl\u00e9pe funguj\u00edc\u00ed zemi nelze vylou\u010dit, \u017ee se stane n\u011bjak\u00e1 chyba. Ty informace, kter\u00e9 m\u00e1me, nasv\u011bd\u010duj\u00ed tomu, \u017ee by tam i mohla b\u00fdt, ale jak jsem \u0159\u00edkal, je velmi d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9, a v tom mimo jin\u00e9 \u010desk\u00fd st\u00e1t samoz\u0159ejm\u011b m\u016f\u017ee pomoct \u010desk\u00fdm ob\u010dan\u016fm i v zahrani\u010d\u00ed, aby se efektivn\u011b br\u00e1nili, aby vyu\u017e\u00edvali v\u0161echny pr\u00e1vn\u00ed n\u00e1stroje, kter\u00e9 tamn\u00ed pr\u00e1vn\u00ed \u0159\u00e1d nab\u00edz\u00ed k tomu, aby se domohli sv\u00fdch pr\u00e1v.<\/p>\n

moder\u00e1torka:P\u0159\u00edpad se dostal u\u017e i na p\u016fdu sn\u011bmovny, dv\u011b poslankyn\u011b prosadily, \u017ee se j\u00edm budou politici zab\u00fdvat na sch\u016fzi. P\u0159ipomenu v\u00e1m argumenty, kter\u00fdmi sv\u00e9 kolegy p\u0159esv\u011bd\u010dovala Jitka Chal\u00e1nkov\u00e1 z TOP 09.<\/p>\n

Jitka CHAL\u00c1NKOV\u00c1, poslankyn\u011b \/TOP 09\/ \/2. 12. 2014\/:
\nToto jsou \u010de\u0161t\u00ed ob\u010dan\u00e9 a jsou odebr\u00e1ni do norsk\u00e9 p\u011bstounsk\u00e9 p\u00e9\u010de. Douf\u00e1m, \u017ee sly\u0161\u00edte, co \u0159\u00edk\u00e1m. Norsk\u00e9 soudy, pokud norsk\u00fd st\u00e1t neusly\u0161\u00ed a nebude si v\u011bdom siln\u00e9 intervence \u010cesk\u00e9 republiky tak, jak to nastalo nap\u0159\u00edklad v p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b indick\u00fdch d\u011bt\u00ed, kdy do\u0161lo i k diplomatick\u00e9 intervenci, a d\u011bti byly odevzd\u00e1ny rodi\u010d\u016fm, a byly odesl\u00e1ny dom\u016f, tak si norsk\u00fd st\u00e1t bude d\u00e1l d\u011blat, co uzn\u00e1 za vhodn\u00e9.<\/p>\n

moder\u00e1torka:Co m\u016f\u017eou \u010de\u0161t\u00ed poslanci v t\u00e9hle kauze ud\u011blat? M\u016f\u017eou snad rozhodnout o tom, jak jsem se n\u011bkde do\u010detla, \u017ee by d\u011bti spadaly pod \u010deskou diplomatickou ochranu?<\/p>\n

DIENSTBIER:
\nTak \u010de\u0161t\u00ed poslanci samoz\u0159ejm\u011b o t\u00e9 v\u011bci mohou jednat, parlament v z\u00e1sad\u011b m\u016f\u017ee jednat o \u010demkoliv, na \u010dem se usnese. A jedin\u00e9, co v t\u00e9to v\u011bci m\u016f\u017ee ud\u011blat, je p\u0159ijmout n\u011bjak\u00e9 usnesen\u00ed. D\u00e1t n\u011bjak\u00e9 doporu\u010den\u00ed pro \u010deskou vl\u00e1du, jak m\u00e1 postupovat, ale.<\/p>\n

moder\u00e1torka:
\nO t\u00e9 diplomatick\u00e9 ochran\u011b rozhoduje kdo?<\/p>\n

DIENSTBIER\/:
\nzcela jist\u011b to nebudou poslanci. Zcela jist\u011b to bude exekutivn\u00ed z\u00e1le\u017eitost.<\/p>\n

moder\u00e1torka:Kdyby se to povedlo, \u017ee by ty d\u011bti spadaly pod diplomatickou ochranu, co by to znamenalo v praxi? Jak by se zm\u011bnila vyjedn\u00e1vac\u00ed pozice \u010ceska v takov\u00e9m p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b, pokud by se zm\u011bnila?<\/p>\n

DIENSTBIER:
\nJ\u00e1 doopravdy se k tomuto nechci vyjad\u0159ovat, proto\u017ee jak jsem \u0159\u00edkal, na toto j\u00e1 nejsem expert, na to, co by znamenala diplomatick\u00e1 ochrana, a nechci si tady vym\u00fd\u0161let. Nechci tady fabulovat. Ale na druhou stranu, jak pan premi\u00e9r, tak p\u0159\u00edslu\u0161n\u00ed resortn\u00ed minist\u0159i dali jasn\u011b najevo, \u017ee toto pova\u017euj\u00ed za d\u016fle\u017eitou v\u011bc, a \u017ee u\u010din\u00ed v\u0161e, co bude mo\u017en\u00e9, pro uplatn\u011bn\u00ed pr\u00e1v na\u0161ich ob\u010dan\u016f v zahrani\u010d\u00ed. V tomto p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b tedy jak matky, tak t\u011bch d\u011bt\u00ed.<\/p>\n

moder\u00e1torka:\u010cesk\u00e9 d\u011bti v Norsku podpo\u0159ila taky skupina europoslanc\u016f, je jich n\u011bco p\u0159es 40. Mysl\u00edte si, \u017ee to bude m\u00edt v Norsku n\u011bjakou z\u00e1sadn\u00ed v\u00e1hu v tom p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b, \u017ee se opravdu norsk\u00e9 \u00fa\u0159ady za\u010dnou t\u00edm p\u0159\u00edpadem t\u0159eba v\u00edc zab\u00fdvat?<\/p>\n

DIENSTBIER:
\nTak n\u011bjakou v\u00e1hu m\u016f\u017ee m\u00edt jak\u00e9koliv vyj\u00e1d\u0159en\u00ed. A samoz\u0159ejm\u011b \u010d\u00edm siln\u011bj\u0161\u00ed je, tak t\u00edm v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed v\u00e1hu m\u00e1. Tedy to, \u017ee p\u00e1r des\u00edtek europoslanc\u016f d\u00e1 n\u011bjak\u00e9 stanovisko, v\u00e1hu m\u00edt m\u016f\u017ee. Ale jak jsem \u0159\u00edkal, norsk\u00e9 soudy jsou nez\u00e1visl\u00e9, ani norsk\u00e1 vl\u00e1da jim nem\u016f\u017ee na\u0159izovat, jak maj\u00ed v t\u00e9to v\u011bci rozhodovat. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee tady z pohledu asi \u010cesk\u00e9 republiky, jak pomoci matce a d\u011btem, je, dos\u00e1hnout jejich navr\u00e1cen\u00ed do \u010cesk\u00e9 republiky. Co\u017e v tuto chv\u00edli nen\u00ed ani jasn\u00e9, \u017ee ta matka s d\u011btmi by cht\u011bla se vr\u00e1tit do \u010cesk\u00e9 republiky. Ale to je v z\u00e1sad\u011b asi jedin\u00e9, k \u010demu by mohla v\u00e9st asi i ta diplomatick\u00e1 ochrana. Proto\u017ee ani ta nem\u016f\u017ee ovlivnit rozhodov\u00e1n\u00ed norsk\u00fdch soud\u016f.<\/p>\n

moder\u00e1torka:\u0158\u00edk\u00e1 ministr pro lidsk\u00e1 pr\u00e1va Ji\u0159\u00ed Dienstbier. D\u011bkuji v\u00e1m za to, \u017ee jste byl hostem Interview \u010cT 24.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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