{"id":19427,"date":"2015-01-19T07:59:05","date_gmt":"2015-01-19T06:59:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=19427"},"modified":"2015-01-19T07:59:05","modified_gmt":"2015-01-19T06:59:05","slug":"jourova-nektere-deti-jsou-nestastne","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=19427","title":{"rendered":"Jourov\u00e1: N\u011bkter\u00e9 d\u011bti jsou ne\u0161\u0165astn\u00e9…"},"content":{"rendered":"

Maj\u00ed se spole\u010dn\u011b vzd\u011bl\u00e1vat zdrav\u00e9 a posti\u017een\u00e9 d\u011bti? A pro\u010d \u017eeny na rozd\u00edl od mu\u017e\u016f nedr\u017e\u00ed p\u0159i sob\u011b? Odpov\u00eddala V\u011bra Jourov\u00e1 (foto), evropsk\u00e1 komisa\u0159ka pro spravedlnost a rovn\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edle\u017eitosti <\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u011bra Jourov\u00e1, evropsk\u00e1 komisa\u0159ka pro spravedlnost a rovn\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edle\u017eitosti je hostem Dvaceti minut Radio\u017eurn\u00e1lu. <\/strong><\/p>\n

Slou\u010den\u00ed handicapovan\u00fdch d\u011bt\u00ed s t\u011bmi nehandicapovan\u00fdmi je ne\u0161t\u011bst\u00ed pro ob\u011b skupiny, to \u0159ekl prezident Milo\u0161 Zeman. Jak\u00fd je v\u00e1\u0161 n\u00e1zor, pan\u00ed eurokomisa\u0159ko? M\u011bly by se handicapovan\u00e9 d\u011bti vzd\u011bl\u00e1vat odd\u011blen\u011b od t\u011bch bez handicapu?<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u011bra JOUROV\u00c1:
\nJ\u00e1 se pokus\u00edm vysv\u011btlit m\u016fj postoj. Mn\u011b se nel\u00edb\u00ed, \u017ee se bav\u00edme pau\u0161\u00e1ln\u011b o n\u011bjak\u00e9 skupin\u011b handicapovan\u00e9 d\u011bti. Tady je pot\u0159eba vid\u011bt ka\u017ed\u00e9 jednotliv\u00e9 d\u00edt\u011b a m\u00edt k n\u011bmu individu\u00e1ln\u00ed p\u0159\u00edstup a posoudit, jestli je schopn\u00e9 t\u00e9 b\u011b\u017en\u00e9 v\u00fduky, anebo jestli je jeho posti\u017een\u00e9 tak siln\u00e9, \u017ee by se tam tr\u00e1pilo, \u017ee by to vlastn\u011b nep\u0159ineslo \u017e\u00e1dn\u00fd efekt a \u017ee by si zaslou\u017eilo sp\u00ed\u0161e p\u00e9\u010di t\u00e9 specializovan\u00e9 \u0161koly. A m\u016f\u017eu v\u00e1m \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee j\u00e1 jsem politi\u010dka, kter\u00e1 se sna\u017e\u00ed d\u011blat v\u011bci od stolu a j\u00e1 jsem si projela n\u011bkolik t\u011bch speci\u00e1ln\u00edch \u0161kol a samoz\u0159ejm\u011b, \u017ee jsem se sna\u017eila p\u0159ij\u00edt na kloub t\u00e9 ot\u00e1zce, kterou vy jste se ptala. A p\u0159i\u0161la jsem prost\u011b na to, \u017ee u n\u011bk…, v n\u011bkter\u00e9m p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b, a vid\u011bla jsem ty d\u011bti, byly to d\u011bti, kter\u00e9 absolvovaly n\u011bjakou dobu v b\u011b\u017en\u00e9 \u0161koln\u00ed v\u00fduce …
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\nA byly tam ne\u0161\u0165astn\u00e9.<\/strong><\/p>\n

JOUROV\u00c1:
\nByly tam ne\u0161\u0165astn\u00e9 a vr\u00e1tily, tak\u017ee cituji te\u010f odborn\u00edky nebo u\u010ditele z t\u00e9 \u0161koly p\u0159\u00edslu\u0161n\u00e9, \u017ee je museli d\u00e1vat dohromady. To jsou individu\u00e1ln\u00ed p\u0159\u00edpady, ke kter\u00fdm je pot\u0159eba takto p\u0159istupovat. Na druh\u00e9 stran\u011b se tady v pom\u011brn\u011b vysok\u00e9m procentu d\u011bje to, \u017ee jako d\u011bti neschopn\u00e9 b\u011b\u017en\u00e9 v\u00fduky jsou ozna\u010dov\u00e1ny romsk\u00e9 d\u011bti, kter\u00e9 jste mo\u017en\u00e1 taky zmi\u0148ovala, a kter\u00e9 jsou pos\u00edl\u00e1ny do speci\u00e1ln\u00edch \u0161kol, kde se …<\/p>\n

:V\u00edte, to je zvl\u00e1\u0161tn\u00ed kapitola, kter\u00e9 se je\u0161t\u011b pov\u011bnujeme, ale j\u00e1 bych z\u016fstala u t\u011bch d\u011bt\u00ed, kter\u00e9 maj\u00ed n\u011bjak\u00e9 t\u0159eba zdravotn\u00ed posti\u017een\u00ed. Mn\u011b dnes volal jeden poslucha\u010d, jmenuje se Milan Arner, a ten mi \u0159\u00edkal, \u017ee s\u00e1m je zrakov\u011b posti\u017een\u00fd a je muzikolog a u\u010d\u00ed na jedn\u00e9 \u0161kole a \u0159\u00edkal, u zrakov\u011b posti\u017een\u00fdch d\u011bt\u00ed konkr\u00e9tn\u011b je velk\u00fd probl\u00e9m, aby chodily do \u0161koly s t\u011bmi, kter\u00e9 zrakov\u00e9 posti\u017een\u00e9 nemaj\u00ed, konkr\u00e9tn\u011b na z\u00e1kladn\u00ed \u0161kolu, proto\u017ee maj\u00ed specifick\u00fd zp\u016fsob v\u00fduky a u\u010ditel\u00e9 na b\u011b\u017en\u00e9 \u0161kole k tomu nejsou t\u0159eba dostate\u010dn\u011b vzd\u011bl\u00e1ni. Tak jsou t\u0159eba tohle p\u0159\u00edpady, kter\u00fdmi vy jste se zab\u00fdvala a je tohle ta skupina, o kter\u00e9 vy uva\u017eujete, \u017ee t\u0159eba tam \u00fapln\u011b nen\u00ed vhodn\u00e9, abych se vzd\u011bl\u00e1vala spole\u010dn\u011b s t\u011bmi d\u011btmi, kter\u00e9 t\u0159eba vid\u00ed dob\u0159e?<\/strong><\/p>\n

JOUROV\u00c1,:
\nJ\u00e1 jsem vid\u011bla zrakov\u011b posti\u017een\u00e9 d\u011bti, kter\u00e9 to m\u011bly v kombinac\u00ed s n\u011bjak\u00fdm ment\u00e1ln\u00edm posti\u017een\u00edm. Pokud jde o jinak zdrav\u00e9 d\u011bti, kter\u00e9 maj\u00ed zrakov\u00e9 posti\u017een\u00ed, tak si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee tady je pr\u00e1v\u011b pot\u0159eba se bavit o mo\u017enostech, \u017ee by dostaly individu\u00e1ln\u00ed pomoc n\u011bjak\u00e9ho \u010dlov\u011bka, kter\u00fd by pom\u00e1hal tomu d\u00edt\u011bti proch\u00e1zet tou \u0161koln\u00ed v\u00fdukou. J\u00e1 jsem studovala pom\u011brn\u011b ned\u00e1vno pra\u017esk\u00e1 pr\u00e1va a pamatuji si, \u017ee tam se mnou chodili 2 nevidom\u00ed studenti, kte\u0159\u00ed by v \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9m p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b nemohli studovat pr\u00e1vo, kdyby jim n\u011bkdy v d\u011btstv\u00ed n\u011bkdo up\u0159el tu mo\u017enost chodit do b\u011b\u017en\u00e9 \u0161koly, kde by se jim dostalo standardn\u00ed v\u00fduky.<\/p>\n

:Tak\u017ee ten v\u00fdrok tak, jak ho \u0159ekl pan prezident, pova\u017eujete za ne zcela \u0161\u0165astn\u00fd?<\/strong><\/p>\n

JOUROV\u00c1:
\nJ\u00e1 pova\u017euji za ne\u0161\u0165astn\u00e9 v\u0161echny v\u00fdroky, kter\u00e9 pau\u0161alizuj\u00ed a kter\u00e9 pou\u017e\u00edvaj\u00ed pr\u00e1v\u011b to mno\u017en\u00e9 \u010d\u00edslo, \u017ee ty d\u011bti d\u00e1me bu\u010fto tam nebo onam a p\u0159ipad\u00e1 mi ta debata, kter\u00e1 nejde do hloubky a do zm\u00edn\u011bn\u00ed toho, \u017ee je pot\u0159eba toho individu\u00e1ln\u00edho p\u0159\u00edstupu jako nikam nevedouc\u00ed.<\/p>\n

:Tak vy u\u017e jste zm\u00ednila problematiku vztah\u016f \u010desk\u00e9ho \u0161kolstv\u00ed k Rom\u016fm. Podle informac\u00ed \u010cesk\u00e9 televize nen\u00ed Unie spokojena s t\u00edm, jak se k t\u00e9to ot\u00e1zce stav\u00ed na\u0161e vl\u00e1da. Evropsk\u00e9 komisi si \u00fadajn\u011b nel\u00edb\u00ed odpov\u011b\u010f, kterou dostala na podzim od \u010desk\u00e9 vl\u00e1dy. Vl\u00e1da se \u00fadajn\u011b sna\u017eila nazna\u010dit, \u017ee Bruselu nem\u00e1 kompetenci \u00fadajnou diskriminaci romsk\u00fdch d\u011bt\u00ed v \u010cesku pro\u0161et\u0159ovat, tolik tedy cit\u00e1t z toho, co m\u011bla \u010cesk\u00e1 televize ve zpr\u00e1v\u00e1ch. Jak\u00e1 jsou zji\u0161t\u011bn\u00ed Bruselu v\u016fbec v t\u00e9to zemi, v t\u00e9to v\u011bci? Musej\u00ed romsk\u00e9 d\u011bti v \u010cesk\u00e9 republice \u010dasto chodit do praktick\u00fdch \u0161kol, tedy takov\u00fdch t\u011bch d\u0159\u00edv jsme je naz\u00fdvali zvl\u00e1\u0161tn\u00ed \u0161koly, je to tak, skute\u010dn\u011b?<\/strong><\/p>\n

JOUROV\u00c1:
\nOproti jin\u00fdm \u010dlensk\u00fdm zem\u00edm je tady to procento romsk\u00fdch d\u011bt\u00ed, kter\u00e9 jsou pos\u00edl\u00e1ny do praktick\u00fdch \u0161kol, velmi vysok\u00e9. M\u00e1me je\u0161t\u011b 3 dal\u0161\u00ed zem\u011b, kde je zv\u00fd\u0161en\u00e9 procento, ale nen\u00ed tak vysok\u00e9, jak v \u010cesk\u00e9 republice, a proto Evropsk\u00e1 komise je\u0161t\u011b tedy p\u0159ed m\u00fdm p\u0159\u00edchodem v z\u00e1\u0159\u00ed poslala \u010desk\u00e9 vl\u00e1d\u011b dopis, kde vyz\u00fdv\u00e1 k tomu, aby napravila situaci. J\u00e1 dnes mohu \u0159\u00edci, \u017ee reakce komise bude takov\u00e1, \u017ee kompetenci na to v ka\u017ed\u00e9m p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b m\u00e1, respektive m\u00e1me, proto\u017ee j\u00e1 dnes reprezentuji tady Evropskou komisi v t\u00e9to v\u011bci. Co se t\u00fd\u010de toho, zda \u010desk\u00e1 vl\u00e1da n\u00e1s p\u0159esv\u011bd\u010d\u00ed, \u017ee ta opat\u0159en\u00ed budou dostate\u010dn\u00e1, tam budeme pos\u00edlat odpov\u011b\u010f a\u017e koncem ledna.<\/p>\n

:A co tam nap\u00ed\u0161ete v t\u00e9 odpov\u011bdi, u\u017e m\u00e1te trochu p\u0159edstavu alespo\u0148?<\/strong><\/p>\n

JOUROV\u00c1:
\nMoji experti to te\u010f vyhodnocuj\u00ed a po\u017e\u00e1dala jsem o co nejrychlej\u0161\u00ed informaci pro m\u011b a zat\u00edm v\u00edm o tom, \u017ee se jim jev\u00ed ta opat\u0159en\u00ed, kter\u00e1 jsou v tom dopise \u010desk\u00e9 vl\u00e1dy jako nedostate\u010dn\u00e1 nebo jako takov\u00e1, o kter\u00fdch u\u017e jsme v\u011bd\u011bli. A ta nov\u00e1 opat\u0159en\u00ed jako takov\u00e1, kter\u00e1 \u00fapln\u011b nepovedou k t\u00e9, k tomu zlep\u0161en\u00ed. Ale nechci tady p\u0159edj\u00edmat.
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\n:Dob\u0159e, ale jak\u00e1 by byla podle v\u00e1s jasn\u00e1 opat\u0159en\u00ed, kter\u00e1 by vedla ke zlep\u0161en\u00ed?<\/strong><\/p>\n

JOUROV\u00c1:
\nMy chceme vid\u011bt, \u017ee tady bude dostate\u010dn\u00e1 pr\u00e1v\u011b ta individu\u00e1ln\u00ed diagnostika, mluv\u00edm ciz\u00edmi slovy, omlouv\u00e1m se, sama to nem\u00e1m r\u00e1da.
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\n:J\u00e1 tomu je\u0161t\u011b rozum\u00edm, ale kdy\u017e tak se ozvu.<\/strong><\/p>\n

JOUROV\u00c1,:
\nKa\u017edop\u00e1dn\u011b je tam pot\u0159eba zase, jak u\u017e jsem \u0159\u00edkala, toho individu\u00e1ln\u00edho p\u0159\u00edstupu, posouzen\u00ed toho, jestli to d\u00edt\u011b je schopno tu b\u011b\u017enou \u0161koln\u00ed doch\u00e1zku absolvovat.<\/p>\n

:\u010cesku pr\u00fd v t\u00e9to v\u011bci hroz\u00ed a\u017e jedn\u00e1n\u00ed p\u0159ed soudn\u00edm dvorem v Lucemburku. Opravdu to m\u016f\u017ee doj\u00edt a\u017e tak daleko?<\/strong><\/p>\n

JOUROV\u00c1,:
\nTo je, to jste pojmenovala jeden ze stup\u0148\u016f toho procesu, kter\u00fd je standardn\u00ed.
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\n:A hroz\u00ed to tedy?<\/strong><\/p>\n

JOUROV\u00c1:
\nTak hroz\u00ed to v\u017edy. V ka\u017ed\u00e9m p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b, kdy\u017e \u010dlensk\u00e1 zem\u011b dostate\u010dn\u011b nerespektuje evropskou legislativu a evropsk\u00e1 pravidla.
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\n:Ale vy se domn\u00edv\u00e1te, \u017ee vl\u00e1da to naprav\u00ed je\u0161t\u011b n\u011bjak potom po t\u00e9 va\u0161\u00ed zpr\u00e1v\u011b?<\/strong><\/p>\n

JOUROV\u00c1,:
\nJ\u00e1 bych si to velmi p\u0159\u00e1la, ale j\u00e1 mus\u00edm b\u00fdt nestrann\u00e1 a budu nestrann\u00e1, tak\u017ee budu ur\u010dit\u011b posuzovat tu v\u011bc objektivn\u011b.<\/p>\n

:Pan\u00ed komisa\u0159ko, pro\u010d mnohdy \u017eeny berou na stejn\u00e9 pozici m\u00e9n\u011b pen\u011bz ne\u017e mu\u017ei, co d\u011bl\u00e1me \u0161patn\u011b?<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u011bra JOUROV\u00c1, evropsk\u00e1 komisa\u0159ka pro spravedlnost a rovn\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edle\u017eitosti:
\nJe to probl\u00e9m, ale nen\u00ed to a\u017e tak velk\u00fd probl\u00e9m, jak by se zd\u00e1lo. Pokud se d\u00edv\u00e1me na to, o\u010d jsou \u017eeny m\u00e9n\u011b placeny ne\u017e mu\u017ei, tak to ani nen\u00ed z toho d\u016fvodu, \u017ee by na stejn\u00e9 pozici braly m\u00e9n\u011b, ale \u017ee prost\u011b \u017eensk\u00e1 povol\u00e1n\u00ed, takzvan\u00e1 tradi\u010dn\u00ed \u017eensk\u00e1 povol\u00e1n\u00ed jsou m\u00e9n\u011b placen\u00e1.
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\n:Ale v mana\u017eersk\u00fdch pozic\u00edch, tam t\u0159eba ta \u017eena u\u017e dnes si dok\u00e1\u017ee vybojovat stejn\u00e9 pen\u00edze jako mu\u017e?<\/strong><\/p>\n

JOUROV\u00c1:
\nTo je pr\u00e1v\u011b to, co jsem dnes zjistila velmi zaj\u00edmav\u00e9 informace od vysok\u00fdch mana\u017eer\u016f a mana\u017eerek \u010desk\u00fdch a \u010desk\u00fdch firem a zahrani\u010dn\u00edch firem s \u010deskou \u00fa\u010dast\u00ed nebo s \u010desk\u00fdm s\u00eddlem. \u017deny si \u00fadajn\u011b neum\u00ed vyjednat pro sebe dobr\u00e9 podm\u00ednky a zn\u011blo to jako jeden hlas, \u017ee kdy\u017e p\u0159ijde, kdy\u017e \u017eena vyhraje konkurz na mana\u017eerskou pozici, tak si tradi\u010dn\u011b \u0159\u00edk\u00e1 m\u00e9n\u011b, o men\u0161\u00ed ohodnocen\u00ed ne\u017e mu\u017e.<\/p>\n

:A pro\u010d? \u017de se neinformuje t\u0159eba, kolik bere ten mu\u017e na stejn\u00e9 pozici? Co d\u011bl\u00e1me \u0161patn\u011b? Nebo co d\u011blaj\u00ed ty \u017eeny \u0161patn\u011b na mana\u017eersk\u00fdch pozic\u00edch?<\/p>\n

JOUROV\u00c1,:
\nJ\u00e1 jsem to nazvala n\u011bjak\u00fdm zbyte\u010dn\u00fdm ni\u017e\u0161\u00edm sebev\u011bdom\u00edm \u017een, \u017ee se prost\u011b jednodu\u0161e podce\u0148ujeme.
\nT\u00edmto vyz\u00fdv\u00e1m v\u0161echny \u017eeny nepodce\u0148ujme se. Ur\u010dit\u011b je to, je dob\u0159e, kdy\u017e se \u017eena dop\u0159edu informuje, jak\u00e1 je tam platov\u00e1 hladina. Nev\u00edm, jestli houfn\u00e9 n\u00e1v\u0161t\u011bvy psychologa by to zlep\u0161ily. Ur\u010dit\u011b je tady pot\u0159eba m\u00edt v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed sebev\u011bdom\u00ed a b\u00fdt si v\u011bdoma toho, \u017ee kdy\u017e u\u017e jsem vyhr\u00e1la konkurz, tak do toho jdu s plnou odpov\u011bdnost\u00ed, \u017ee to bude n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e1 pr\u00e1ce, kter\u00e1 m\u00e1 b\u00fdt adekv\u00e1tn\u011b ohodnocena.<\/p>\n

:A je to ve v\u0161ech zem\u00edch Evropsk\u00e9 unie tento probl\u00e9m, nebo jinde jsou \u017eeny takov\u00e9 r\u00e1zn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed, t\u0159eba dok\u00e1\u017e\u00ed si \u0159\u00edct?<\/p>\n

JOUROV\u00c1:Zase zaj\u00edmav\u00e1 informace z dne\u0161ka, z dne\u0161n\u00edho kulat\u00e9ho stolu, v zahrani\u010d\u00ed jsou \u017eeny sebev\u011bdom\u011bj\u0161\u00ed.
\nZase ne v\u0161ude, ale my jsme brali pr\u00e1v\u011b tu speci\u00e1ln\u00ed \u010deskou situaci, kde jsou i ni\u017e\u0161\u00ed \u010d\u00edsla, jak v tom odm\u011b\u0148ov\u00e1n\u00ed, tak v zastoupen\u00ed \u017een v mana\u017eersk\u00fdch pozic\u00edch a tady m\u00e1me teda opravdu co doh\u00e1n\u011bt i v\u016f\u010di zbytku Evropy.<\/p>\n

: D\u011bkuji za to. Na shledanou.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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