{"id":20105,"date":"2015-02-25T10:50:55","date_gmt":"2015-02-25T09:50:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=20105"},"modified":"2015-02-25T11:02:33","modified_gmt":"2015-02-25T10:02:33","slug":"krasa-rozdil-mezi-minimalni-mzdou-u-lidi-s-handicapem-a-u-lidi-bez-handicapu-je-jasna-diskriminace","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=20105","title":{"rendered":"Kr\u00e1sa: Na prezidenta se u\u017e nezlob\u00edm…."},"content":{"rendered":"

Co sly\u0161eli z\u00e1stupci zdravotn\u011b<\/span> posti\u017een\u00fdch<\/span> v\u010dera od prezidenta Zemana? Vysv\u011btlil jim sv\u016fj v\u00fdrok o tom, zda se spolu maj\u00ed vzd\u011bl\u00e1vat handicapovan\u00e9 a zdrav\u00e9 d\u011bti? Radio\u017eurn\u00e1l se zeptal V\u00e1clava Kr\u00e1sy, p\u0159edsedy N\u00e1rodn\u00ed rady osob se zdravotn\u00edm posti\u017een\u00edm.<\/strong><\/p>\n

po\u0159ad Dvacet minut Radio\u017eurn\u00e1lu
\nmoder\u00e1torka:
\nJak\u00e9 bylo setk\u00e1n\u00ed s Milo\u0161em Zemanem? Vy jste se nevid\u011bli, pokud se nepletu … <\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u00e1clav KR\u00c1SA: 13 let<\/p>\n

: 13 let, od roku 2002, co jste ode\u0161el ze sn\u011bmovny.<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u00e1clav KR\u00c1SA: Bylo to p\u0159\u00edjemn\u00e9. Pan prezident m\u011b p\u0159iv\u00edtal slovy „pamatujete, pane kolego, kdy\u017e jsme spolu byli v parlamentu.“.<\/p>\n

:To asi nejde zapomenout.<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u00e1clav KR\u00c1SA:Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b to na to \u010dlov\u011bk nezapomene, kdy\u017e jsem byl 10 let v Poslaneck\u00fd sn\u011bmovn\u011b, tak to je \u00fadob\u00ed \u017eivota, na kter\u00fd \u010dlov\u011bk nezapomene.<\/p>\n

:Kdy\u017e sledujete Milo\u0161e Zemana nyn\u00ed v roce 2015, kdy je prezidentem, a kdy\u017e jste ho sledoval tehdy, kdy\u017e jste byli spolu v Poslaneck\u00e9 sn\u011bmovn\u011b, kdy on byl jednak prvn\u011b \u0161\u00e9fem sn\u011bmovny, potom p\u0159edsedou vl\u00e1dy, je to jin\u00fd Zeman?<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u00e1clav KR\u00c1SA
\nJ\u00e1 mysl\u00edm, \u017ee ne, \u017ee je to po\u0159\u00e1d v\u00edcem\u00e9n\u011b stejn\u00e1, mo\u017en\u00e1 tro\u0161ku usedlej\u0161\u00ed, ale to d\u011bl\u00e1 v\u011bk, ale jinak si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee \u010dlov\u011bk u\u017e se asi v tom v\u011bku neformuje n\u011bjak jinak.<\/p>\n

:J\u00e1 jsem myslela t\u0159eba, jestli jeho v\u00fdroky jsou dnes ost\u0159ej\u0161\u00ed, ne\u017e byly t\u0159eba tehdy?<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u00e1clav KR\u00c1SA:
\nTak j\u00e1 nev\u00edm, j\u00e1 si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee u\u017e tehdy m\u011bl pom\u011brn\u011b ostr\u00e9, ostr\u00e9 v\u00fdroky. J\u00e1 si pamatuji, kdy\u017e se tehdy dohadovala vl\u00e1da po volb\u00e1ch 98, kdy vlastn\u011b pak do\u0161lo k t\u00e9 ..Oposmlouv\u011b, \u017ee, tak si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee to byly v\u00fdroky taky velmi ostr\u00e9, ale j\u00e1 bych \u0159ekl, \u017ee je stejn\u00fd.
\n
\n:P\u0159est\u0159elil Milo\u0161 Zeman podle v\u00e1s, kdy\u017e \u0159ekl, \u017ee d\u011bti s ur\u010dit\u00fdm handicapem by nem\u011bly b\u00fdt za\u0159azov\u00e1ny do t\u0159\u00edd se zdrav\u00fdmi \u0161kol\u00e1ky?<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u00e1clav KR\u00c1SA
\nMy jsme tak\u00e9 reagovali na tento v\u00fdrok, ale pan prezident n\u00e1m to dneska vysv\u011btlil, \u017ee on byl zrovna v t\u00e9 dob\u011b n\u011bkde v za\u0159\u00edzen\u00ed, kde jsou d\u011bti s velk\u00fdm ment\u00e1ln\u00edm posti\u017een\u00edm a on, \u017ee to myslel obecn\u011b to, \u017ee jako by padlo to slovo s handicapem, tak\u017ee to on si uv\u011bdomuje, \u017ee samoz\u0159ejm\u011b lid\u00e9 na voz\u00edc\u00edch, nevidom\u00ed<\/span> a tak d\u00e1le se maj\u00ed vzd\u011bl\u00e1vat v norm\u00e1ln\u00edch \u0161kol\u00e1ch, \u017ee je ot\u00e1zka, a ta diskuse se vede, na kolik lid\u00e9 nebo s jak\u00fdm hlubok\u00fdm ment\u00e1ln\u00edm posti\u017een\u00edm je je\u0161t\u011b \u00fa\u010deln\u00e9, aby ti lid\u00e9 byli v tom hlavn\u00edm proudu vzd\u011bl\u00e1vac\u00edm, anebo sp\u00ed\u0161 studovali ve speci\u00e1ln\u00edch \u0161kol\u00e1ch nebo chodili do \u0161koly ve speci\u00e1ln\u00edch \u0161kol\u00e1ch. O tom ta diskuse se vede, to si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee je legitimn\u00ed debata.<\/p>\n

:Vy jste ji vedli i dnes s panem prezidentem?<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u00e1clav KR\u00c1SA:
\nMy jsme, ano, tu debatu vedli i dnes s panem prezidentem. J\u00e1 osobn\u011b jsem toho n\u00e1zoru, \u017ee i pokud jde o d\u011bti s hlubok\u00fdm ment\u00e1ln\u00edm posti\u017een\u00edm nebo s t\u011b\u017e\u0161\u00edm ment\u00e1ln\u00edm posti\u017een\u00edm, tak\u017ee m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt t\u0159eba jedna t\u0159\u00edda ve \u0161kole norm\u00e1ln\u00ed, aby se ti \u017e\u00e1ci potk\u00e1vali i s t\u011bmi ostatn\u00edmi \u017e\u00e1ky.<\/p>\n

:Ale vzd\u011bl\u00e1vali by se zvl\u00e1\u0161\u0165 v t\u00e9 t\u0159\u00edd\u011b?<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u00e1clav KR\u00c1SA:Ano. Proto\u017ee oni maj\u00ed kontakt s t\u011bmi norm\u00e1ln\u00edmi, s t\u011bmi ostatn\u00edmi d\u011btmi, \u010dili ta socializace tam prob\u00edh\u00e1 n\u011bjak\u00e1.<\/p>\n

:Ale nest\u00edhali by jim v t\u00e9 v\u00fduce, prost\u011b by si nep\u0159ipadali rovnocenn\u00ed?<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u00e1clav KR\u00c1SA:
\nAno, …, je pravda, \u017ee jaksi p\u0159edstava, \u017ee d\u00edt\u011b s hlubok\u00fdm ment\u00e1ln\u00edm posti\u017een\u00edm se bude vzd\u011bl\u00e1vat v norm\u00e1ln\u00ed t\u0159\u00edd\u011b, by asi ned\u00e1valo p\u0159\u00edli\u0161 \u00fapln\u011b smysl, ale \u0159\u00edk\u00e1m, je to v\u017edycky tak\u00e9 na rozhodnut\u00ed rodi\u010d\u016f.<\/p>\n

:Je\u0161t\u011b se k tomu vr\u00e1t\u00edme, ale \u0159ekn\u011bte mi to vysv\u011btlen\u00ed Milo\u0161e Zemana k tomu jeho v\u00fdroku, kter\u00fd hodn\u011b pobou\u0159il r\u016fzn\u00e9, a\u0165 u\u017e, j\u00e1 v\u00edm, \u017ee jsme mluvili t\u0159eba s voz\u00ed\u010dk\u00e1\u0159kou a tak d\u00e1l, v\u00e1m to vysv\u011btlil te\u010f, vy v\u011b\u0159\u00edte Milo\u0161i Zemanovi, \u017ee to nebylo my\u0161leno zle, vy nejste ura\u017een na prezidenta v t\u00e9to v\u011bci?<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u00e1clav KR\u00c1SA,
\nJ\u00e1 jsem tehdy na to reagoval, panu prezidentovi jsem napsal, \u017ee s t\u00edm jeho v\u00fdrokem nesouhlas\u00edme a po\u017e\u00e1dal jsem ho o sch\u016fzku. Pan prezident t\u00e9 sch\u016fzce dneska vyhov\u011bl a n\u00e1m to tak takto jasn\u011b vysv\u011btlil a \u0159ekl, \u017ee ti ostatn\u00ed druhy zdravotn\u00edho posti\u017een\u00ed<\/span>, ale i ty lidi s leh\u010d\u00edm ment\u00e1ln\u00edm posti\u017een\u00edm se maj\u00ed vzd\u011bl\u00e1vat v norm\u00e1ln\u00edch \u0161kol\u00e1ch a \u017ee z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed na podpo\u0159e, kterou dostanou, co\u017e my tak\u00e9 samoz\u0159ejm\u011b podporujeme.<\/p>\n

:Tak\u017ee u\u017e se nezlob\u00edte na pana prezidenta?<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u00e1clav KR\u00c1SA:J\u00e1 si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee ne.<\/p>\n

:V\u00edte, \u010detla jsem dnes znovu n\u00e1zory r\u016fzn\u00fdch rodi\u010d\u016f, kte\u0159\u00ed maj\u00ed r\u016fzn\u011b posti\u017een\u00e9<\/span> t\u0159eba d\u011bti a n\u011bkte\u0159\u00ed \u0159\u00edkaj\u00ed, psala jedna maminka na jednom serveru, kter\u00e1 m\u00e1 d\u00edt\u011b s autismem, autistick\u00e9 d\u00edt\u011b, \u017ee popisovala, \u017ee z norm\u00e1ln\u00ed \u0161koly doslova utekla s t\u00edm d\u00edt\u011btem, proto\u017ee tam jej\u00ed d\u00edt\u011b bylo poni\u017eov\u00e1no. P\u0159ipou\u0161t\u00edte, \u017ee tyto momenty mohou nastat?<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u00e1clav KR\u00c1SA,:
\nTo je ale potom chyba t\u00e9 podpory. To d\u00edt\u011b nedostalo pat\u0159i\u010dnou podporu. M\u011blo by m\u00edt k dispozici asistenta pedagoga a ten by m\u011bl i tomuto zabr\u00e1nit. On p\u0159eci mus\u00ed jednak pom\u00e1hat tomu \u017e\u00e1kovi s t\u00edm u\u010divem, ale m\u011bl by z\u00e1rove\u0148 mu pom\u00e1hat v tom kontaktu s t\u011bmi ostatn\u00edmi \u017e\u00e1ky. J\u00e1 si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee pr\u00e1v\u011b …<\/p>\n

:Dob\u0159e, ale d\u00e1 se zabr\u00e1nit tomu, aby to d\u00edt\u011b nebylo jaksi \u0161ikanov\u00e1no od t\u011bch zdrav\u00fdch d\u011bt\u00ed, d\u011bti jsou krut\u00e9, dok\u00e1\u017e\u00ed b\u00fdt krut\u00e9, dok\u00e1\u017e\u00ed b\u00fdt krut\u00e9.<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u00e1clav KR\u00c1SA:
\nJ\u00e1 nev\u00edm, jestli …, dok\u00e1\u017e\u00ed b\u00fdt asi n\u011bkdy krut\u00e9, ale j\u00e1 si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee to je opravdu o t\u00fd m\u00ed\u0159e podpory. Mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee pr\u00e1v\u011b pedagog asistent by m\u011bl pomoci v t\u00e9 komunikaci. Lid\u00e9 s autismem jsou \u010dasto lid\u00e9, kte\u0159\u00ed jsou nad\u00e1ni mnoh\u00fdmi znalostmi, mnoh\u00fdm nad\u00e1n\u00edm a je pot\u0159eba je vyu\u017e\u00edvat. Oni maj\u00ed samoz\u0159ejm\u011b probl\u00e9m v komunikaci s ostatn\u00edmi lidmi, ale to je\u0161t\u011b neznamen\u00e1, \u017ee ti lid\u00e9 nedostanou \u0159\u00e1dn\u00e9 vzd\u011bl\u00e1n\u00ed.<\/p>\n

:<\/strong>Psal mi zrakov\u011b posti\u017een\u00fd<\/span> p\u00e1n, kter\u00fd je p\u0159esv\u011bd\u010den o tom, \u017ee minim\u00e1ln\u011b v prvn\u00edch letech by d\u011bti se zrakov\u00fdm posti\u017een\u00edm m\u011bly b\u00fdt ve speci\u00e1ln\u00edch \u0161kol\u00e1ch, proto\u017ee vy\u017eaduj\u00ed jin\u00fd druh v\u00fduky ne\u017e d\u011bti, kte\u0159\u00ed, kter\u00e9 maj\u00ed dobr\u00fd zrak. D\u00e1 se s t\u00edm souhlasit?<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u00e1clav KR\u00c1SA:
\nV\u00edte, j\u00e1 nev\u00edm, j\u00e1 bydl\u00edm v \u0158ep\u00edch, kde je z\u00e1kladn\u00ed \u0161kola, tam chodil chlapec od prvn\u00ed t\u0159\u00eddy do norm\u00e1ln\u00ed \u0161koly, norm\u00e1ln\u011b tu \u0161kolu vychodil, on je nad\u00e1n teda hudebn\u011b, tak\u017ee dneska zp\u00edv\u00e1, pom\u011brn\u011b u\u017e je t\u00edm i zn\u00e1m\u00fd, ale mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee je to sp\u00ed\u0161 o t\u00e9 m\u00ed\u0159e podpory, proto\u017ee dneska u\u017e ty technick\u00e9 v\u011bci dok\u00e1\u017e\u00ed vlastn\u011b umo\u017enit tomu \u017e\u00e1kovi, aby \u010detl v\u0161echny ty dokumenty, aby mu to ten stroj p\u0159e\u010detl, \u010dili on tu komunikaci nebo to, co je napsan\u00fd v t\u011bch u\u010debnic\u00edch, on dok\u00e1\u017ee. Je podle m\u011b na \u00fahlu pohledu a tady ten z\u00e1kon, \u0161kolsk\u00fd z\u00e1kon umo\u017e\u0148uje rodi\u010d\u016fm, aby oni sami rozhodli, do kter\u00e9 \u0161koly cht\u011bj\u00ed, aby d\u00edt\u011b chodilo a mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee je to opravdu na jejich v\u016fli. My na tohle nem\u00e1me \u00fapln\u011b pevn\u00fd pohled, proto\u017ee v\u00edm, \u017ee lid\u00e9 se zrakov\u00fdm posti\u017een\u00edm n\u011bkdy toto prosazuj\u00ed, ale j\u00e1 zn\u00e1m \u0159adu lid\u00ed, kte\u0159\u00ed vystu…, kte\u0159\u00ed vychodili od z\u00e1kladn\u00ed \u0161koly a\u017e po vysokou \u0161kolu pr\u00e1v\u011b v norm\u00e1ln\u00ed \u0161kole.<\/p>\n

My jsme mluvili o tom, \u017ee vlastn\u011b p\u0159\u00edtomnost asistenta t\u0159eba u toho d\u00edt\u011bte ve \u0161kole by m\u011bla jaksi pomoct tomu d\u00edt\u011bti, ale \u010detla jsem i n\u00e1zor, \u017ee p\u0159\u00edtomnost asistenta m\u016f\u017ee d\u00edt\u011b vylou\u010dit z kolektivu, \u017ee u\u017e nen\u00ed vlastn\u011b srovnateln\u00e9?<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u00e1clav KR\u00c1SA,
\nJ\u00e1 v\u00edm, ale v n\u011bkter\u00fdch p\u0159\u00edpadech je ta p\u0159\u00edtomnost to asistenta pedagoga nezbytn\u00e1, to by ti lid\u00e9 nemohli v\u016fbec studovat, chodit do \u0161koly. Mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee to prost\u011b tak je. Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b, \u017ee to m\u016f\u017ee malinko st\u011b\u017eovat komunikaci, z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed podle m\u011b na schopnosti toho asistenta pedagoga, na kolik p\u0159ipust\u00ed norm\u00e1ln\u00ed komunikaci. J\u00e1 si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee ti lid\u00e9 jsou vzd\u011blan\u00ed a \u017ee v\u011bd\u00ed, co d\u011blaj\u00ed.<\/p>\n

:Je t\u011b\u017ek\u00e9 z\u00edskat takov\u00e9ho asistenta, je jich dostatek?<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u00e1clav KR\u00c1SA,:
\nJe jich nedostatek, takhle dostatek by jich mo\u017en\u00e1 byl, kdyby bylo dostatek pen\u011bz.To nen\u00ed zat\u00edm. Te\u010f byl p\u0159ijat nov\u00fd \u0161kolsk\u00fd, novela \u0161kolsk\u00e9ho z\u00e1kona …Je\u0161t\u011b to p\u016fjde do Sen\u00e1tu. Mus\u00edm \u0159\u00edci, \u017ee ta novela p\u0159in\u00e1\u0161\u00ed nov\u00e1 podp\u016frn\u00e1 opat\u0159en\u00ed pro \u017e\u00e1ky a studenty se zdravotn\u00edm posti\u017een\u00edm a m\u00e1me i p\u0159\u00edslib, \u017ee syst\u00e9m financov\u00e1n\u00ed pedagogick\u00fdch asistent\u016f by m\u011bl b\u00fdt jin\u00fd …
\n
\nNyn\u00ed je stav takov\u00fd, \u017ee dostane ta rodina t\u0159eba, kter\u00e1 m\u00e1 d\u00edt\u011b, kter\u00e9 m\u00e1 posti\u017een\u00ed<\/span>, pot\u0159ebuje asistenta, dostane \u010d\u00e1st pen\u011bz od m\u011bsta.<\/strong><\/p>\n

V\u00e1clav KR\u00c1SA,
\nNe,to je n\u011bco jin\u00e9ho, to je osobn\u00ed asistent. Pedagogick\u00fd asistent je odborn\u00fd pracovn\u00edk, kter\u00fd vykon\u00e1v\u00e1 \u010dinnost pouze ve \u0161kole a je financov\u00e1n prost\u0159ednictv\u00edm kraje. A pan ministr ned\u00e1vno uvedl, \u017ee m\u00e1 p\u0159edstavu takovou, \u017ee by \u0161lo na asistenty pedagogy v\u00edce pen\u011bz z centr\u00e1ln\u00edch zdroj\u016f, to znamen\u00e1, z ministerstva a \u017ee oni by vlastn\u011b m\u011bli pohl\u00eddat to, aby byl dostatek pen\u011bz na ty asistenty pedagogy.<\/p>\n

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Co sly\u0161eli z\u00e1stupci zdravotn\u011b posti\u017een\u00fdch v\u010dera od prezidenta Zemana? Vysv\u011btlil jim sv\u016fj v\u00fdrok o tom, zda se spolu maj\u00ed vzd\u011bl\u00e1vat handicapovan\u00e9 a zdrav\u00e9 d\u011bti? Radio\u017eurn\u00e1l […]<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":19997,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-20105","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-rozhovory"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/20105","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=20105"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/20105\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/19997"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=20105"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=20105"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=20105"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}