{"id":21335,"date":"2015-05-15T11:49:57","date_gmt":"2015-05-15T09:49:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=21335"},"modified":"2015-05-15T11:49:57","modified_gmt":"2015-05-15T09:49:57","slug":"cesta-za-snem-cil-evropa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=21335","title":{"rendered":"Cesta za snem. C\u00edl: Evropa"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>S Martinem Rozumkem, \u0159editelem Organizace pro pomoc uprchl\u00edk\u016fm &#8211; debata v \u010cesk\u00e9 televizi o uprchl\u00edc\u00edch&#8230;. <\/strong><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><strong> Za\u010dneme u toho, jestli ji\u017en\u00ed st\u00e1ty a to je jedna z ot\u00e1zek, kter\u00e1 se te\u010f klade, maj\u00ed \u0161anci, ji\u017en\u00ed evropsk\u00e9 st\u00e1ty mysl\u00edm, maj\u00ed \u0161anci se o ty uprchl\u00edky postarat samy pochopiteln\u011b za pomoci Evropsk\u00e9 unie, ne \u00fapln\u011b samy.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Martin ROZUMEK, \u0159editel, Organizace pro pomoc uprchl\u00edk\u016fm:<br \/>\nJ\u00e1 si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee nemaj\u00ed \u0161anci, proto\u017ee u\u017e n\u00e1m to n\u011bkolik mo\u017en\u00e1 10 let dokazuj\u00ed. Nelze o\u010dek\u00e1vat od Ma\u010far\u016f, \u017ee sami zvl\u00e1dnou 43 tis\u00edc \u017e\u00e1dost\u00ed o azyl za rok, jak m\u011bli loni, a my 700. Nelze o\u010dek\u00e1vat od Mal\u0165an\u016f, kde nen\u00ed voda, \u017ee se postaraj\u00ed o tis\u00edce uprchl\u00edk\u016f. Nelze to \u010dekat od \u0158ek\u016f, od Bulhar\u016f, kter\u00e9 maj\u00ed, kte\u0159\u00ed maj\u00ed ohromn\u00e9 &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>:<br \/>\nale kdyby tam byla podpora investi\u010dn\u00ed, infrastrukturn\u00ed, finan\u010dn\u00ed z cel\u00e9 Evropsk\u00e9 unie, abychom nemuseli \u0159e\u0161it to, \u017ee sem p\u016fjde 100 a tam 5 tis\u00edc uprchl\u00edk\u016f.<\/p>\n<p>Martin ROZUMEK,:<br \/>\nJ\u00e1 tomu nev\u011b\u0159\u00edm, proto\u017ee jednak ty spole\u010dnosti nejsou p\u0159ijat\u00e9 na to, aby p\u0159ij\u00edmaly takov\u00e9 mno\u017estv\u00ed uprchl\u00edk\u016f a jednak sami ti uprchl\u00edci maj\u00ed velice \u010dasto p\u0159\u00edbuzn\u00e9, r\u016fzn\u00e9 vazby v t\u011bch zem\u00edch jako typu N\u011bmecka, \u0160v\u00e9dska, Francie, tak\u017ee je tam jakoby oboustrann\u00fd nez\u00e1jem z\u016fstat nap\u0159\u00edklad v t\u00e9 ji\u017en\u00ed It\u00e1lii nebo v\u016fbec nemluv\u00edm o Bulharsku nebo \u0158ecku.<\/p>\n<p>:<br \/>\nNa druhou stranu seversk\u00e9 zem\u011b, o \u0160v\u00e9dsku se hodn\u011b mluv\u00ed, ty jsou ochotny pom\u011brn\u011b velk\u00e9 mno\u017estv\u00ed uprchl\u00edk\u016f p\u0159ij\u00edmat a zvl\u00e1daj\u00ed to. Tak pro\u010d by cel\u00e1 Evropsk\u00e1 unie na omezen\u00e9m \u00fazem\u00ed jihu nemohla ten probl\u00e9m zvl\u00e1dat taky?<\/p>\n<p>Martin ROZUMEK, :<br \/>\nJ\u00e1 si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee jednak je tam \u00fapln\u011b jin\u00e1 kontura v t\u011bch spole\u010dnostech p\u0159ij\u00edman\u00ed t\u011bch cizinc\u016f a i ekonomick\u00e9, i ekonomick\u00e1, i to ekonomick\u00e1 situace, prost\u011b ta chudoba, a\u0165 si \u0159\u00edk\u00e1me, co chceme, na jihu je mnohem v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e na severu Evropy a kdy\u017e vid\u00edm ty probl\u00e9my \u0158ecka, It\u00e1lie, Bulharska, Ma\u010farska, tak jsem se nelze divit, \u017ee i to nastaven\u00ed spole\u010dnosti je proti imigrant\u016fm a samotn\u00ed uprchl\u00edci tam necht\u011bj\u00ed b\u00fdt.<\/p>\n<p>:<br \/>\nKdy\u017e se vr\u00e1t\u00edme sem k n\u00e1m do \u010cesk\u00e9 republiky. My jsme p\u0159ipraveni na co z hlediska uprchl\u00edk\u016f? \u010cist\u011b technicky mysl\u00edm.<\/p>\n<p>Martin ROZUMEK,:<br \/>\n\u010cist\u011b technicky te\u010f sly\u0161\u00edme \u010d\u00edslo 700 l\u016f\u017eek, \u017ee je k dispozici v podstat\u011b okam\u017eit\u011b, ale j\u00e1 bych p\u0159ipomn\u011bl, \u017ee my jsme zvl\u00e1dali mnohem, v minul\u00fdch letech mnohem v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed po\u010dty. My jsme p\u0159ijali 3500 lid\u00ed z Bosny, 1000 lid\u00ed z Kosova, m\u011bli jsme po\u010det \u017eadatel\u016f o azyl v roce 2001 18 tis\u00edc, 2003 11 tis\u00edc, tak\u017ee j\u00e1 to \u010d\u00edslo 700 beru jako takov\u00fd sp\u00ed\u0161 v\u00fdraz \u010desk\u00e9 neochoty n\u011bco ud\u011blat nav\u00edc, kdy\u017e ta ochota tady je, tak jsme dok\u00e1zali v minulosti se mnohem, mnohem l\u00e9pe postarat o mnohem v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed po\u010det.<\/p>\n<p>:<br \/>\nV\u00edte a je to tot\u00e9\u017e bavit se Jihoevropanech a bavit se o lidech z arabsk\u00e9ho sv\u011bta, S\u00fdrie, Libye a tak d\u00e1le, Ir\u00e1k?<\/p>\n<p>Martin ROZUMEK,:<br \/>\nPro m\u011b je to tot\u00e9\u017e v p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b, \u017ee ut\u00edkaj\u00ed z v\u00e1lky, tak\u017ee pokud se bav\u00edme o Sy\u0159anech, pokud se bav\u00edme o Som\u00e1lc\u00edch, tak by to m\u011blo b\u00fdt tot\u00e9\u017e, proto\u017ee jsou to lid\u00e9, kte\u0159\u00ed, kter\u00fdm jde o \u017eivot a kte\u0159\u00ed prchaj\u00ed v pron\u00e1sledov\u00e1n\u00ed a zachra\u0148uj\u00ed se v podstat\u011b takto. Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b jin\u00e1 situace je, pokud se bav\u00edme o Z\u00e1padoafri\u010danech, co\u017e je ta posledn\u00ed vlna p\u0159\u00edchodu. Tam jsou to v\u011bt\u0161inou ekonomi\u010dt\u00ed migranti a tam ta situace je \u00fapln\u011b jin\u00e1.<\/p>\n<p>:<br \/>\nTo znamen\u00e1, tohle je jasn\u00e1 hranice. \u00dat\u011bk p\u0159ed v\u00e1lkou ano, ekonomi\u010dt\u00ed migranti ne, zp\u00e1tky z Evropy pry\u010d.<\/p>\n<p>Martin ROZUMEK, :<br \/>\nV podstat\u011b ano. Ta jasn\u00e1 hranice je dan\u00e1 \u017eenevskou \u00famluvou, tak\u017ee je tam to pron\u00e1sledov\u00e1n\u00ed z 5 d\u016fvod\u016f, politika, n\u00e1bo\u017eenstv\u00ed, rasa a nap\u0159\u00edklad i B\u011blorusov\u00e9 jsou v \u010cesk\u00e9 republice velmi \u00fasp\u011b\u0161n\u00ed a i Rusov\u00e9 ut\u00edkaj\u00ed ve velk\u00e9m po\u010dtu, pokud se jaksi znel\u00edb\u00ed tomu rusk\u00e9mu re\u017eimu, tak\u017ee ta hranice je dan\u00e1 tou \u017eenevskou \u00famluvou.<\/p>\n<p>:<br \/>\nVy \u0159\u00edk\u00e1te, \u017ee pro v\u00e1s je to naprosto jasn\u00e1 ot\u00e1zka. M\u00e1te-li zku\u0161enosti pr\u00e1v\u011b i s t\u011bmi v\u011bt\u0161\u00edmu po\u010dty uprchl\u00edk\u016f, jsme na uprchlictv\u00ed p\u0159ipraveni a te\u010f u\u017e nemysl\u00edm \u010dist\u011b technicky, ale p\u0159in\u00e1\u0161\u00ed to v dan\u00fdch lokalit\u00e1ch n\u011bjak\u00e9 probl\u00e9my?<\/p>\n<p>Martin ROZUMEK, :<br \/>\nJ\u00e1 si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee hraje velkou roli ta obava \u010cech\u016f jakoby z ji\u017en\u00edch, z migrace z jihu, z arabsk\u00fdch zem\u00ed, z Afriky, \u017ee pokud by byla situace, \u0159ekn\u011bme, dramatick\u00e1 na Ukrajin\u011b, tak si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee i ta vst\u0159\u00edcnost \u010desk\u00e9 ve\u0159ejnosti a vst\u0159\u00edcnost \u010desk\u00fdch politik\u016f by byla \u00fapln\u011b jin\u00e1. Tak\u017ee si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee jsme ment\u00e1ln\u011b p\u0159ipraveni, ale sp\u00ed\u0161e na tu, na ten p\u0159\u00edpad, \u017ee by ta krize nastala na v\u00fdchod\u011b nebo \u0159ekn\u011bme na Balk\u00e1n\u011b, ne\u017e na ten p\u0159\u00edpad, \u017ee prost\u011b k n\u00e1m p\u0159ich\u00e1z\u00ed desetitis\u00edce lid\u00ed t\u0159eba z \u010dern\u00e9 Afriky.<\/p>\n<p>:<br \/>\nPro\u010d to tak je?<\/p>\n<p>Martin ROZUMEK,:<br \/>\nMysl\u00edm si, \u017ee na to nejsme zvykl\u00ed. Velkou roli hraje n\u00e1stup Isl\u00e1msk\u00e9ho st\u00e1tu, kde po\u0159\u00e1d sly\u0161\u00edme hr\u016fzy, hr\u016fzostra\u0161n\u00e9 zpr\u00e1vy o tom, co se tam d\u011bje, jak\u00e1 zv\u011brstva a \u010desk\u00e1 ve\u0159ejnost &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>:<br \/>\nJe p\u0159ece ale p\u0159irozen\u00e9, \u017ee lidi maj\u00ed z tohoto obavu, tak m\u00e1 se potom a\u017e mo\u017en\u00e1 n\u00e1sil\u00edm, te\u010f mysl\u00edm politick\u00fdm n\u011bjak\u00fdm n\u00e1sil\u00edm nebo politick\u00fdm tlakem n\u011bkdo nutit do p\u0159ij\u00edm\u00e1n\u00ed uprchl\u00edk\u016f?<\/p>\n<p>Martin ROZUMEK, :<br \/>\nJe to p\u0159irozen\u00e9, ale my jsme p\u0159ijali tu \u017eenevskou \u00famluvu, tak\u017ee t\u011bm uprchl\u00edk\u016fm, t\u011bm skute\u010dn\u00fdm, kter\u00fdm jde o \u017eivot, tak ty p\u0159ijmout mus\u00edme a kdy\u017e to \u0159eknu zjednodu\u0161en\u011b, pokud by dorazilo do \u010cesk\u00e9 republiky 20 tis\u00edc Sy\u0159an\u016f, tak m\u00e1me povinnost jim pomoci a pokud by dorazilo 20 tis\u00edc Nigerijc\u016f, tak nem\u00e1me \u017e\u00e1dnou povinnost jim pomoci a m\u016f\u017eeme je v podstat\u011b v\u0161echny vr\u00e1tit zp\u00e1tky.<\/p>\n<p>:<br \/>\nA je to takhle jednoduch\u00e9 a st\u00e1t k tomu takhle vlastn\u011b \u010dernob\u00edle by se dalo \u0159\u00edci, sud\u00e1 lich\u00e1 nebo a\u0165 to nazveme jakkoli, p\u0159istupuje?<\/p>\n<p>Martin ROZUMEK, :<br \/>\nV teorii to takhle jednoduch\u00e9 je, v praxi samoz\u0159ejm\u011b z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed na tom azylov\u00e9m \u0159\u00edzen\u00ed, na tom, jak\u00e9 m\u00e1 \u010dlov\u011bk d\u016fkazy, jak\u00fd m\u00e1 ten p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh, kter\u00fd je schopen podep\u0159\u00edt n\u011bjak\u00fdmi d\u016fkazy, ale de facto v t\u00e9 na\u0161\u00ed pr\u00e1ci my hodn\u011b vych\u00e1z\u00edme z t\u011bch zem\u00ed, ze kter\u00fdch poch\u00e1z\u00ed a je fakt, \u017ee se soust\u0159ed\u00edme hlavn\u011b na ty zem\u011b, kter\u00e9 prost\u011b, kde je pron\u00e1sledov\u00e1n\u00ed b\u011b\u017en\u00e9, kde je n\u011bjak\u00e1 v\u00e1lka a takto postupujeme a d\u00e1 se \/nesrozumiteln\u00e9\/.<\/p>\n<p>:<br \/>\nVy jste \u0159\u00edkal, kdy\u017e p\u0159ijde 20 tis\u00edc Sy\u0159an\u016f, tak bychom povinnost m\u011bli, \u010dili n\u011bjak\u00e9 rozli\u0161ov\u00e1n\u00ed na leg\u00e1ln\u00ed a neleg\u00e1ln\u00ed uprchl\u00edky to tady nem\u00e1 hr\u00e1t roli?<\/p>\n<p>Martin ROZUMEK,:<br \/>\nNem\u00e1 hr\u00e1t, proto\u017ee v podstat\u011b leg\u00e1ln\u00ed mo\u017enosti vstupu pro uprchl\u00edky v sou\u010dasn\u00e9 dob\u011b neexistuj\u00ed, tak\u017ee se r\u00e1di h\u00e1\u017e\u00ed v\u0161ichni do jednoho pytle neleg\u00e1ln\u00edch migrant\u016f, ale neexistuj\u00ed v sou\u010dasn\u00e9 dob\u011b humanit\u00e1rn\u00ed v\u00edza, neexistuj\u00ed \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9 programy, kde bychom, kde by oni byli schopni n\u011bkde z Jord\u00e1nska prost\u011b p\u0159icestovat bezpe\u010dn\u011b a leg\u00e1ln\u011b, \u0159ekn\u011bme, do N\u011bmecka, kde maj\u00ed sv\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edbuzn\u00e9 t\u0159eba. Tak\u017ee bohu\u017eel jsou nuceni vyu\u017e\u00edt t\u011bch neleg\u00e1ln\u00edch cest, poj\u00ed se na to organizovan\u00fd zlo\u010din a je to nebezpe\u010dn\u00e9 jak, jak pro ty uprchl\u00edky samotn\u00e9, tak to m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt nebezpe\u010dn\u00e9 i pro ty spole\u010dnosti.<\/p>\n<p>:<br \/>\nMy jsme te\u010f v n\u011bjak\u00e9 konkr\u00e9tn\u00ed situaci, n\u00e1vrh Evropsk\u00e9 komise kv\u00f3ty, bude se o tom debatovat. Kdy\u017e to neprojde, co bude? Objevuj\u00ed se informace, \u017ee ji\u017en\u00ed st\u00e1ty se mohou tak trochu za\u010d\u00edt mst\u00edt, kdy\u017e to takhle \u0159eknu, p\u0159estanou uprchl\u00edky registrovat, budou je pos\u00edlat d\u00e1l, tud\u00ed\u017e nebude jasn\u00e9, kudy p\u0159i\u0161li do Evropy, to je d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9 pro to, kam p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b uprchl\u00edka vr\u00e1tit, tak co bude v Evrop\u011b potom?<\/p>\n<p>Martin ROZUMEK,:<br \/>\nBude pokra\u010dovat ta sou\u010dasn\u00e1 situace, jak jste \u0159\u00edkal, Italov\u00e9 nebudou registrovat, t\u00edm p\u00e1dem nejv\u00edc zat\u00ed\u017een\u00e9 budou, bude d\u00e1l N\u011bmecko, \u0160v\u00e9dsko, Francie a my budeme po\u0159\u00e1d dr\u017eet palce, aby ti lid\u00e9 nep\u0159i\u0161li k n\u00e1m.<\/p>\n<p>:<br \/>\nP\u0159esto, nebylo by lep\u0161\u00ed, aby st\u00e1ty samy si rozhodovaly o tom, koho, kolik, kdy, za jak\u00fdch podm\u00ednek? Jednotliv\u00e9 st\u00e1ty bez direktivy centr\u00e1ly v Bruselu.<\/p>\n<p>Martin ROZUMEK, :<br \/>\nTakto to v sou\u010dasn\u00e9 dob\u011b prob\u00edh\u00e1, ale ka\u017ed\u00fd st\u00e1t v Evropsk\u00e9 unii v podstat\u011b usiluje o to, aby t\u011bch uprchl\u00edk\u016f m\u011bl co nejm\u00e9n\u011b a t\u00edm na\u0161\u00edm c\u00edlov\u00fdm p\u0159\u00e1n\u00edm, kolik jich chceme p\u0159ijmout, je nula a je to podobn\u00e9 prost\u011b s Ma\u010farskem, s Polskem, ka\u017ed\u00fd st\u00e1t jich chce co nejm\u00e9n\u011b. A pak samoz\u0159ejm\u011b pokud jsme jedna Evropsk\u00e1 unie a n\u011bkdo je posti\u017een\u00fd tak fat\u00e1ln\u011b jako Ma\u010farsko nebo It\u00e1lie, tak si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee bychom jim m\u011bli pomoct.<\/p>\n<p>:<br \/>\n<strong>Pane Rozumku, d\u011bkuju za rozhovor v Ud\u00e1lostech, koment\u00e1\u0159\u00edch, na shledanou.<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div class=\"mh-excerpt\"><p>S Martinem Rozumkem, \u0159editelem Organizace pro pomoc uprchl\u00edk\u016fm &#8211; debata v \u010cesk\u00e9 televizi o uprchl\u00edc\u00edch&#8230;.<\/p>\n<\/div>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-21335","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-zpravy"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/21335","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=21335"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/21335\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=21335"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=21335"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=21335"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}