{"id":21766,"date":"2015-06-16T08:58:24","date_gmt":"2015-06-16T06:58:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=21766"},"modified":"2015-06-16T08:58:24","modified_gmt":"2015-06-16T06:58:24","slug":"za-vetsi-pocet-romskych-deti-ve-specialnich-skolach-muze-incest-tvrdi-slovenska-vlada","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=21766","title":{"rendered":"Za v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed po\u010det romsk\u00fdch d\u011bt\u00ed ve speci\u00e1ln\u00edch \u0161kol\u00e1ch m\u016f\u017ee incest, tvrd\u00ed slovensk\u00e1 vl\u00e1da"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Nevl\u00e1dn\u00ed organizace na Slovensku se ohradily proti tomu, jak vl\u00e1da odpov\u011bd\u011bla na v\u00fdtky Evropsk\u00e9 komise, podle n\u00ed\u017e jsou romsk\u00e9 d\u011bti diskriminovan\u00e9, pokud jde o p\u0159\u00edstup ke vzd\u011bl\u00e1n\u00ed a p\u0159\u00edli\u0161 \u010dasto kon\u010d\u00ed ve speci\u00e1ln\u00edch \u0161kol\u00e1ch.<\/strong> <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Radio\u017eurn\u00e1l<\/p>\n<p>Vl\u00e1da kritiku odm\u00edt\u00e1 a jako jeden z argument\u016f uvedla, \u017ee v romsk\u00e9 komunit\u011b je: &#8222;Vy\u0161\u0161\u00ed v\u00fdskyt geneticky podm\u00edn\u011bn\u00fdch poruch, proto\u017ee sloven\u0161t\u00ed Romov\u00e9 maj\u00ed pr\u00fd nejvy\u0161\u0161\u00ed koeficient incestn\u00edch vztah\u016f v Evrop\u011b.&#8220; Proti takov\u00e9mu vysv\u011btlen\u00ed romsk\u00e9 segregace ve \u0161kolstv\u00ed se ohradila \u0159ada odborn\u00edk\u016f, v\u010detn\u011b analyti\u010dky In\u0161tit\u00fatu pre dobre spravovan\u00fa spolo\u010dnos\u0165 Lucie Kov\u00e1\u010dov\u00e9, podle n\u00ed\u017e vl\u00e1da vych\u00e1z\u00ed z pochybn\u00e9 studie star\u00e9 30 let.<\/p>\n<p>Lucia KOV\u00c1\u010cOV\u00c1, analyti\u010dka, In\u0161tit\u00fat pre dobre spravovan\u00fa spolo\u010dnos\u0165:<br \/>\nV podstat\u011b ta studie, na kterou se vl\u00e1da odvol\u00e1v\u00e1, nen\u00ed dohledateln\u00e1. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee nen\u00ed mo\u017en\u00e9 naj\u00edt zdroj, kde by se dala nap\u0159\u00edklad posoudit metodologie. Tato studie nebo tento v\u00fdzkum, kter\u00fd byl vytvo\u0159en v roce 1987 na velmi omezen\u00e9m vzorku 100 rodin ola\u0161sk\u00fdch Rom\u016f v okrese Nitra, byl zm\u00edn\u011bn v jednom \u010dl\u00e1nku v L\u00e9ka\u0159sk\u00fdch obzorech, kter\u00fd byl z roku 2010. A ten samotn\u00fd v\u00fdzkum byl z roku 1987. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee vl\u00e1da se odvol\u00e1v\u00e1 na 30 let star\u00fd v\u00fdzkum a na reprezentativn\u00ed vzorky, na kter\u00fdch se daj\u00ed zev\u0161eobecnit, \/nesrozumiteln\u00e9\/ etnickou populaci na Slovensku, nejv\u00edc tato studie, a je pravdiv\u00e1 \u010di nev\u00edme, i kdy\u017e j\u00ed neum\u00edme dohledat, tak obecn\u011b mluv\u00ed, kdy\u017e mluv\u00ed o genetick\u00fdch poruch\u00e1ch u romsk\u00e9ho obyvatelstva, tak nemluv\u00ed o ment\u00e1ln\u00edm zaost\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed a o ment\u00e1ln\u00edm znev\u00fdhodn\u011bn\u00ed, ale hovo\u0159\u00ed o metabolick\u00fdch poruch\u00e1ch, kter\u00e9 v\u016fbec nemaj\u00ed \u017e\u00e1dn\u00fd \/nesrozumiteln\u00e9\/ s ment\u00e1ln\u00edm znev\u00fdhodn\u011bn\u00edm a v\u00fd\u0161i v\u00fdskytu ment\u00e1ln\u00edho znev\u00fdhodn\u011bn\u00ed. A to nem\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt d\u016fvod na to, anebo n\u011bjak\u00e1 obhajoba v\u011bt\u0161\u00edho za\u0159azen\u00ed nebo nadm\u011brn\u00e9ho za\u0159azen\u00ed romsk\u00fdch d\u011bt\u00ed do speci\u00e1ln\u00edch \u0161kol.<\/p>\n<p>moder\u00e1tor:<br \/>\nTak\u017ee podle v\u00e1s ten argument slovensk\u00e9 vl\u00e1dy v odpov\u011bdi Evropsk\u00e9 komisi je naprosto zav\u00e1d\u011bj\u00edc\u00ed a vyzn\u00edv\u00e1 mo\u017en\u00e1 a\u017e rasisticky?<\/p>\n<p>Lucia KOV\u00c1\u010cOV\u00c1:<br \/>\nAno, podle m\u011b ano, ta studie, jak \u0159\u00edk\u00e1m, existuje, ona v\u016fbec toti\u017e nemluv\u00ed o \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9m incestu, v\u016fbec nemluv\u00ed o v\u00fd\u0161i v\u00fdskytu ment\u00e1ln\u00edho zaost\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed, tak\u017ee podle m\u011b je absolutn\u011b nespr\u00e1vn\u011b interpretovan\u00e1 a podle m\u011b i dost vl\u00e1da do, \u00fa\u0159ad vl\u00e1dy, kter\u00fd se na toto odvol\u00e1v\u00e1, tak podle m\u011b velmi, na\u0161el \u00fa\u010del a jen potvrdil ty r\u016fzn\u00e9 stereotypn\u00ed n\u011bjak\u00e9 p\u0159edstavy o tom, jak Romov\u00e9 \u017eij\u00ed, \u017ee tam je \/nesrozumiteln\u00e9\/ incestn\u00edho pr\u00e1va a tak d\u00e1le, jestli ano, tak z tohoto hlediska je to velmi rasistick\u00e9, nebo\u0165 to podporuje vlastn\u011b n\u011bjak\u00fd stereotypn\u00ed n\u00e1hled na romskou populaci na Slovensku, nav\u00edc neexistuj\u00ed \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9 studie, kter\u00e9 by, o \u010dem hovo\u0159\u00ed vl\u00e1da, kter\u00e1 by vlastn\u011b potvrdila tuto argumentaci.<br \/>\nA kde vy vid\u00edte hlavn\u00ed p\u0159\u00ed\u010dinu pokra\u010duj\u00edc\u00ed segregace romsk\u00fdch d\u011bt\u00ed ve vzd\u011bl\u00e1vac\u00edm syst\u00e9mu, nen\u00ed to i t\u00edm, \u017ee velk\u00e1 \u010d\u00e1st Rom\u016f \u017eije izolovan\u011b od v\u011bt\u0161inov\u00e9 populace, v osad\u00e1ch?<\/p>\n<p>Lucia KOV\u00c1\u010cOV\u00c1,<br \/>\nHlavn\u00edm t\u00edm probl\u00e9mem je ten samotn\u00fd proces za\u0159azov\u00e1n\u00ed a samotn\u00e1 diagnostika romsk\u00fdch d\u011bt\u00ed, oni jsou \u010dasto velmi myln\u011b diagnostikovan\u00e9 jako ment\u00e1ln\u011b zaostal\u00e9, variantu A, o hrani\u010dn\u00edm p\u00e1smu, co vlastn\u011b dal\u0161\u00ed stupe\u0148 <span class=\"highlight\">posti\u017een\u00ed<\/span>, ale je to kv\u016fli tomu, \u017ee ty psychodiagnostick\u00e9 n\u00e1stroje, kter\u00e9 se dnes pou\u017e\u00edvaj\u00ed, tak v\u016fbec neberou do \u00favahy, z jak\u00e9ho socioekonomick\u00e9ho prost\u0159ed\u00ed ty d\u011bti poch\u00e1zej\u00ed, ty d\u011bti \u010dasto v 6, v 5 letech nev\u00ed, jak dr\u017eet barvi\u010dky, neum\u00ed rozli\u0161ovat geometrick\u00e9 tvary a to nen\u00ed proto, \u017ee by byly ment\u00e1ln\u011b zaostal\u00e9, ale proto, \u017ee ony jednodu\u0161e nemaj\u00ed nap\u0159\u00edklad p\u0159\u00edstup k t\u011bm barvi\u010dk\u00e1m, nemaj\u00ed p\u0159\u00edstup k hra\u010dk\u00e1m, kter\u00e9 by rozv\u00edjely jemnou motoriku, to znamen\u00e1, \u017ee toto, \u017ee oni vlastn\u011b zaost\u00e1vaj\u00ed v t\u011bchto zru\u010dnostech od ostatn\u00edch d\u011bt\u00ed jen proto, \u017ee byli ment\u00e1ln\u011b zaostal\u00e9, ale \u017ee jednodu\u0161e je nedostatek chudoby, \u010dasto velmi hlubok\u00e9 chudoby v romsk\u00fdch osad\u00e1ch a proto jsou vlastn\u011b za\u0159azov\u00e1ni do speci\u00e1ln\u00edho \u0161kolstv\u00ed, na m\u00edsto toho, aby byly za\u0159azen\u00e9 do b\u011b\u017en\u00e9ho \u0161kolstv\u00ed, aby jim byla poskytnuta n\u011bjak\u00e1 asistence, aby vlastn\u011b dohnaly ty roky, b\u011b\u017en\u00e9 z\u00e1kladn\u00ed \u0161koly \u010dasto nejsou p\u0159ipraven\u00e9 na integraci d\u011bt\u00ed ze soci\u00e1ln\u011b znev\u00fdhodn\u011bn\u00e9ho prost\u0159ed\u00ed, chyb\u00ed \u010dasto odborn\u00edci, pomocn\u00ed zam\u011bstnanci, asistenti, u\u010ditel\u00e9 a speci\u00e1ln\u00ed pedagogov\u00e9, kte\u0159\u00ed by mohli pomoc.<br \/>\n<strong>Tolik Lucia Kov\u00e1\u010dov\u00e1 z In\u0161tit\u00fatu pre dobre spravovan\u00fa spolo\u010dnos\u0165. A poslouchal ji i slovensk\u00fd ministr vnitra Robert Kali\u0148\u00e1k z hnut\u00ed Smer. Pane minist\u0159e, m\u016f\u017eete potvrdit, \u017ee mezi argumenty, kter\u00e9 uvedla vl\u00e1da v odpov\u011bdi Evropsk\u00e9 komisi, byla i zm\u00ednka o geneticky podm\u00edn\u011bn\u00fdch poruch\u00e1ch mezi slovensk\u00fdmi Romy?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Robert KALI\u0147\u00c1K<br \/>\nVzhledem k tomu, \u017ee jsem ministr vnitra, tak to \u00fapln\u011b nem\u016f\u017eu potvrdit, nebo\u0165 jsem ji nem\u011bl k dispozici, ani jsem ji ne\u010detl, ale kdy\u017e se mimovl\u00e1dn\u00ed organizace ohradily, tak je vcelku p\u0159edpoklad, \u017ee asi tam takov\u00e1to zm\u00ednka byla.<br \/>\n\u010cili asi, kdy\u017e se v\u00e1s te\u010f budu pt\u00e1t, z \u010deho vych\u00e1z\u00ed ten argument, o co auto\u0159i t\u00e9 zpr\u00e1vy, respektive odpov\u011bdi, se op\u00edraj\u00ed, v\u011bd\u011bl byste to?<\/p>\n<p>Robert KALI\u0147\u00c1K,<br \/>\nTro\u0161ku je t\u0159eba up\u0159\u00edmn\u011b \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee byl jsem v nevl\u00e1dn\u00ed organizaci, p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm pracuj\u00ed s r\u016fzn\u00fdmi studiemi a statistikami a lid\u00e9, kte\u0159\u00ed jsou v ter\u00e9nu, pracuj\u00ed s re\u00e1ln\u00fdm \u017eivotem a s re\u00e1ln\u00fdmi d\u011btmi, kter\u00e9 jim p\u0159ich\u00e1zej\u00ed do rukou \u010di do diagnostick\u00e9ho centra, kter\u00e9 jsou v ka\u017ed\u00e9m regionu a rozhoduj\u00ed o d\u011btech, vlastn\u011b jak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem budou za\u0159azeni do v\u00fdchovn\u00e9ho vzd\u011bl\u00e1vac\u00edho procesu a v podstat\u011b my se sna\u017e\u00edme, aby jsme to nejleh\u010d\u00ed <span class=\"highlight\">posti\u017een\u00ed<\/span> dok\u00e1zali integrovat do regul\u00e9rn\u00edch z\u00e1kladn\u00edch \u0161kol, ale tam je takov\u00e9 drobn\u00e9 nepochopen\u00ed, proto\u017ee to, co vyt\u00fdk\u00e1 Evropsk\u00e1 komise, p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm souvis\u00ed s romsk\u00fdmi t\u0159\u00eddami, v podstat\u011b skoro \u010dist\u011b romsk\u00fdmi t\u0159\u00eddami, kde je ozna\u010deno, \u017ee toto je probl\u00e9m segregace, \u017ee vlastn\u011b nejsou m\u00ed\u0161en\u00e9 t\u0159\u00eddy, to je zase fakt, \u017ee v mnoh\u00fdch lokalit\u00e1ch je t\u011bch romsk\u00fdch d\u011bt\u00ed prost\u011b tolik, \u017ee bych \u0159ekl, \u017ee ty d\u011bti z majoritn\u00ed spole\u010dnosti u\u017e neum\u00ed ani p\u0159em\u00fd\u0161let, nebo to okol\u00ed ani neum\u00ed, oni zapln\u00ed polovi\u010dku jedn\u00e9 t\u0159\u00eddy a ty vy\u0161\u0161\u00ed t\u0159\u00eddy jsou \u010dist\u011b romsk\u00e9, tak\u017ee &#8230;tam je mnoho v\u011bc\u00ed nepochopen\u00fdch.<br \/>\nAno. A vy tedy principi\u00e1ln\u011b odm\u00edt\u00e1te v\u00fdtky, \u017ee sloven\u0161t\u00ed Romov\u00e9 jsou diskriminov\u00e1ni, co se t\u00fd\u010de p\u0159\u00edstupu ke vzd\u011bl\u00e1n\u00ed?<\/p>\n<p>Robert KALI\u0147\u00c1K<br \/>\nTak to rozhodn\u011b, to ur\u010dit\u011b. A hlavn\u011b vyt\u00fdk\u00e1m i mimovl\u00e1dn\u00edm organizac\u00edm, \u017ee se chytily tohoto jednoho argumentu, to nakonec vych\u00e1z\u00ed z reality p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm, z toho, \u017ee na ur\u010dit\u00fd po\u010det d\u011bt\u00ed je tu jednozna\u010dn\u011b zv\u00fd\u0161en\u00fd problematick\u00fd status, to znamen\u00e1, to jsou d\u011bti z majoritn\u00ed spole\u010dnosti, nejvy\u0161\u0161\u00ed po\u010det d\u011bt\u00ed, kter\u00e9 jdou na vlastn\u011b \u0161koly osobn\u00edho typu nebo speci\u00e1ln\u00ed \u0161koly, jak se jim \u0159\u00edk\u00e1. A d\u011bti z romsk\u00fdch komunit jsou tu ve v\u011bt\u0161\u00edm po\u010dtu. Ale vzhledem k tomu, \u017ee se statistika nevedla, to je to, jak jsem se dostal do rozporu s m\u00e9dii, anebo &#8230;<br \/>\nA jenom, abychom si v tom ud\u011blali jasno, vy souhlas\u00edte s t\u00edm argumentem, \u017ee skute\u010dn\u011b za mnoh\u00e9 m\u016f\u017ee vysok\u00fd v\u00fdskyt incestn\u00edch vztah\u016f, za t\u00edm byste st\u00e1l?<\/p>\n<p>Robert KALI\u0147\u00c1K,<br \/>\nJ\u00e1 nejsem psycholog, ani l\u00e9ka\u0159, abych \u0159\u00edkal, \u017ee to m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt, j\u00e1 jsem jen \u0159\u00edkal, \u017ee je nevhodn\u00e9 vyt\u00fdkat, \u017ee nem\u016f\u017eeme tyto argumenty pojmenov\u00e1vat, nebo ne rasisticky hovo\u0159it o probl\u00e9mech, jestli si budeme zakr\u00fdvat o\u010di p\u0159ed t\u011bmi probl\u00e9my, kter\u00e9 v romsk\u00e9 komunit\u011b jsou, tak je nebudeme nikdy schopni vy\u0159e\u0161it a budeme to skr\u00fdvat za to, \u017ee o tomto nemluvme, nebo\u0165 je to rasistick\u00e9 a nebo xenofobn\u00ed, tak nic nevy\u0159e\u0161\u00edme. To je &#8230;p\u0159esn\u011b d\u016fvod, pro\u010d se vlastn\u011b zru\u0161ily statistiky o v\u0161ech romsk\u00fdch d\u011btech, zru\u0161ily se statistiky o romsk\u00fdch pachatel\u00edch, dneska vlastn\u011b nev\u00edte, jak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem p\u0159esn\u011b ur\u010dit, kter\u00e9 n\u00e1rodnosti, nebo kter\u00e9 komunity p\u00e1chaj\u00ed v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed trestnou \u010dinnost a t\u00edm p\u00e1dem nem\u016f\u017eete \u0159e\u0161it probl\u00e9m, nem\u016f\u017eete \u0159e\u0161it jen symptomy, ale mus\u00edte \u0159e\u0161it p\u0159\u00ed\u010dinu, a proto j\u00e1 jsem byl vlastn\u011b v tom konfliktu, \u017ee nesouhlas\u00edm s t\u00edm, abychom nemluvili o t\u011bchto v\u011bcech otev\u0159en\u011b, pokud nebudeme pojmenov\u00e1vat v\u011bci \/nesrozumiteln\u00e9\/, dejme tomu incestn\u00edho probl\u00e9mu, tak nem\u016f\u017eeme zn\u00e1t v\u00fdsledky.<br \/>\n<strong>Vysv\u011btluje slovensk\u00fd ministr vnitra Robert Kali\u0148\u00e1k. 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