{"id":24179,"date":"2016-01-15T08:46:30","date_gmt":"2016-01-15T07:46:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=24179"},"modified":"2016-01-15T08:46:30","modified_gmt":"2016-01-15T07:46:30","slug":"debata-u-jilkove-meli-by-vas-zazalovat-ale-misto-toho-vam-plati-tisice-korun","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=24179","title":{"rendered":"Debata u J\u00edlkov\u00e9: M\u011bli by v\u00e1s za\u017ealovat, ale m\u00edsto toho v\u00e1m plat\u00ed tis\u00edce korun"},"content":{"rendered":"

V\u00e1no\u010dn\u00ed sv\u00e1tky skon\u010dily a mnoz\u00ed lid\u00e9 \u0159e\u0161\u00ed kardin\u00e1ln\u00ed ot\u00e1zku, jak zhubnout. Ob\u00e9zn\u00edch lid\u00ed v \u010cesku toti\u017e p\u0159ib\u00fdv\u00e1. O tom, jak zdrav\u011b zhubnout, se diskutovalo tak\u00e9 u moder\u00e1torky Michaely J\u00edlkov\u00e9 v po\u0159adu M\u00e1te slovo \u010cesk\u00e9 televize. Debata se vedla o detoxikaci, diet\u011b z doby kamenn\u00e9 a jin\u00fdch rad\u00e1ch, kter\u00e9 ov\u0161em podle l\u00e9ka\u0159\u016f mohou n\u011bkoho i zab\u00edt. P\u0159ed kamerami proto padly v\u00fdhr\u016f\u017eky soudn\u00ed \u017ealobou.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ve studiu se se\u0161li obezitolog, p\u0159edseda \u010cesk\u00e9 spole\u010dnosti t\u011blov\u00fdchovn\u00e9ho l\u00e9ka\u0159stv\u00ed MUDr. Martin Matoulek Ph.D., gastroenterolog, vedouc\u00ed metabolick\u00e9 JIP II. intern\u00ed kliniky centra v\u00fd\u017eivy Fakultn\u00ed Thomayerovy nemocnice, Doc. MUDr. Pavel Kohout PhD., prezident Asociace v\u00fd\u017eivov\u00fdch poradc\u016f ing. Ivan Mach, v\u00fd\u017eivov\u00fd poradce ing. Martin \u0160k\u00e1ba, konzultant a poradce Michal Turna, b\u00fdval\u00fd \u010dlen skupiny Maxim Turbulenc Pavel Vohnout (Kyklop) a dal\u0161\u00ed.<\/p>\n

Bylo by to t\u00e9m\u011b\u0159 na to v\u00e1s za\u017ealovat<\/p>\n

V\u00fd\u017eivov\u00fd \u0160k\u00e1ba se hned v \u00favodu rozpov\u00eddal o detoxikaci organismu. Ta pr\u00fd sni\u017euje mno\u017estv\u00ed tuk\u016f v t\u011ble a nav\u00edc n\u00e1s zbav\u00ed parazit\u016f \u010di vir\u016f. „Jsem zast\u00e1ncem toho, \u017ee stravou a nerovnov\u00e1hou v t\u011ble se podobn\u00e9 nebezpe\u010dn\u00e9 organismy mohou vyskytovat,“ prohl\u00e1sil. N\u011bkdo je tam m\u016f\u017ee m\u00edt a n\u011bkdo ne.<\/p>\n

Doktor Kohout se sv\u00e9mu p\u0159ed\u0159e\u010dn\u00edkovi vysm\u00e1l. „Bylo by to t\u00e9m\u011b\u0159 na to v\u00e1s za\u017ealovat. Je to naprost\u00e1 sn\u016f\u0161ka nesmysl\u016f,“ spustil kanon\u00e1du odborn\u00edk. Za to, \u017ee \u0161\u00ed\u0159\u00ed takov\u00e9hle v\u011bci, ale bohu\u017eel nenese \u017e\u00e1dnou odpov\u011bdnost, co\u017e je z\u00e1sadn\u00ed chyba. P\u0159itom rady pana \u0160k\u00e1by stoj\u00ed n\u011bkolik tis\u00edc korun, na co\u017e upozornila moder\u00e1torka J\u00edlkov\u00e1. Martin Matoulek k tomu doplnil, \u017ee zbavit se tuku nen\u00ed a priori \u0161patn\u011b, proto\u017ee v tuku se tvo\u0159\u00ed z\u00e1n\u011bty. Ot\u00e1zkou ale je, jak jinak se tuku zbav\u00edme ne\u017e prac\u00ed sval\u016f.<\/p>\n

Pavel Vohnout se ptal, co to vlastn\u011b znamen\u00e1 detoxikace. S\u00e1m se „detoxikoval“ toliko \u010distou vodou, kterou si nem\u016f\u017ee ubl\u00ed\u017eit. „Prvn\u00ed v\u011bc je srovnat si to v hlav\u011b,“ poznamenal n\u011bkdej\u0161\u00ed \u010dlen skupiny Maxim Turbulenc. „Ve\u0161ker\u00e9 nemoci vych\u00e1zej\u00ed z hlavy, i tlou\u0161\u0165ka je nemoc,“ doplnil. Pr\u00e1\u0161ky na hubnut\u00ed pova\u017euje za velk\u00fd podvod.<\/p>\n

\u0160k\u00e1ba si trval na tom, \u017ee jeho metody jemu sam\u00e9mu prosp\u00edvaj\u00ed. S\u00e1m je na\u010derpal u \u010d\u00ednsk\u00fdch a jin\u00fdch alternativn\u00edch l\u00e9ka\u0159\u016f. Doporu\u010duje nap\u0159. r\u00e1no p\u0159evalovat olej v \u00fastech, nav\u00e1zat na n\u011bj bacily a pak je vyplivnout. Podle l\u00e9ka\u0159\u016f ve studiu je to ov\u0161em nesmysl. „Mn\u011b to p\u0159ipad\u00e1, jako kdy\u017e my\u0161i\u010dka va\u0159ila ka\u0161i\u010dku,“ p\u0159isadil si pan Vohnout.<\/p>\n

O postaven\u00ed v\u00fd\u017eivov\u00fdch poradc\u016f rozhodli poslanci<\/p>\n

K dovr\u0161en\u00ed v\u0161eho zl\u00e9ho doktor Kohout pouk\u00e1zal na to, \u017ee sv\u00e9 klienty pos\u00edl\u00e1 i na rozbory krve. \u0160k\u00e1ba to p\u0159ipustil a doktor Kohout se okam\u017eit\u011b ptal, zda vlastn\u011b pan \u0160k\u00e1ba rozum\u00ed tomu, co vy\u010dte z rozboru krve. „\u010clov\u011bk m\u016f\u017ee jeden den zametat ulice a druh\u00fd den se m\u016f\u017ee st\u00e1t v\u00fd\u017eivov\u00fdm poradcem, a to absolutn\u011b bez \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9 kvalifikace,“ roz\u010d\u00edlil se l\u00e9ka\u0159. Prezident Asociace v\u00fd\u017eivov\u00fdch poradc\u016f ing. Ivan Mach se br\u00e1nil, \u017ee o postaven\u00ed v\u00fd\u017eivov\u00fdch poradc\u016f rozhodli poslanci. To oni ur\u010dili, \u017ee nepot\u0159ebuj\u00ed kvalifikaci. A pokud se to n\u011bkomu nel\u00edb\u00ed, a\u0165 to nevy\u010d\u00edt\u00e1 poradc\u016fm, ale poslanc\u016fm.<\/p>\n

N\u00e1sledn\u011b br\u00e1nil fungov\u00e1n\u00ed v\u00fd\u017eivov\u00fdch poradc\u016f. Nikdo se po absolvov\u00e1n\u00ed na\u0161ich kurz\u016f nest\u00e1v\u00e1 v\u00fd\u017eivov\u00fdm poradcem, v\u011bnuj\u00ed se sob\u011b. Tyto kurzy trvaj\u00ed \u0161est dn\u016f a na z\u00e1v\u011br lid\u00e9 p\u00ed\u0161\u00ed test. \u0160k\u00e1ba doplnil, \u017ee lid\u00e9 k n\u011bmu chod\u00ed nap\u0159. s probl\u00e9my se z\u00e1cpou. A to mo\u017en\u00e1 nem\u011bl \u0159\u00edkat.<\/p>\n

„To u\u017e je na \u017ealobu, proto\u017ee d\u00e1v\u00e1te lidem rady, ke kter\u00fdm ale nem\u00e1te vzd\u011bl\u00e1n\u00ed,“ ude\u0159il doktor Kohout. „K lidem, jako jste vy, chod\u00ed \u0159ada lid\u00ed a pak se bohu\u017eel k l\u00e9ka\u0159i dost\u00e1vaj\u00ed p\u0159\u00edli\u0161 pozd\u011b,“ doplnil. V kone\u010dn\u00e9m d\u016fsledku to m\u016f\u017ee v\u00e9st i ke smrti pacient\u016f. Pan \u0160k\u00e1ba kontroval, \u017ee k n\u011bmu chod\u00ed i pacienti po n\u00e1v\u0161t\u011bv\u011b obezitologa a nech\u00e1pou, pro\u010d jim p\u0159edepsal antidepresiva m\u00edsto opravdov\u00e9ho l\u00e9\u010den\u00ed.<\/p>\n

Dieta z doby kamenn\u00e9<\/p>\n

Ve druh\u00e9 polovin\u011b do\u0161lo tak\u00e9 na dietu z doby kamenn\u00e9, kterou propaguje pan Michal Turna, na tzv. paleodietu. „Nedoporu\u010duji ml\u00e9\u010dn\u00e9 v\u00fdrobky, lu\u0161t\u011bniny a lepek, kter\u00fd je hodn\u011b rizikov\u00fd,“ varoval propag\u00e1tor t\u00e9to diety. V tu chv\u00edli se znovu ozval l\u00e9ka\u0159 Pavel Kohout. „Je nutn\u00e9 podobn\u00e9 bl\u00e1zny pou\u0161t\u011bt do televize? J\u00e1 m\u00e1m strach, \u017ee se lid\u00e9 budou \u0159\u00eddit podobn\u00fdmi radami. Takov\u00fdhle bl\u00e1zen doporu\u010d\u00ed nej\u00edst lepek, ale nenaordinuje standardn\u00ed bezlepkovou dietu,“ zesiloval hlas p\u0159ed kamerou l\u00e9ka\u0159.<\/p>\n

Michal Turna obratem varoval, \u017ee n\u00e1m \u0161kod\u00ed i p\u0159\u00edli\u0161 mnoho frukt\u00f3zy, a doktor Kohout se znovu neudr\u017eel. „Co to tady doporu\u010dujete za hlouposti, v\u017edy\u0165 frukt\u00f3za je i v ovoci,“ kroutil hlavou odborn\u00edk. Nad \u0159adou tvrzen\u00ed v\u00fd\u017eivov\u00fdch poradc\u016f se jen usm\u00edval, kdyby je toti\u017e bral \u00fapln\u011b v\u00e1\u017en\u011b, musel by plakat.<\/p>\n

N\u00e1sledn\u011b se ke slovu znovu dostal pan Vohnout. „To t\u011blo je na n\u011bco zvykl\u00e9, a kdy\u017e najednou za\u010dnete j\u00edst jen zeleninu, tak se po m\u011bs\u00edci zbl\u00e1zn\u00edte, provedete \u00fatok na lednici… Moje dietolo\u017eka z Kanady mi zak\u00e1zala cvi\u010dit, proto\u017ee kdy\u017e p\u0159estanete cvi\u010dit, tak to naberete zp\u00e1tky. Psal jsem si na l\u00edste\u010dek, co jsem sn\u011bdl, a p\u0159esv\u011bd\u010doval jsem se, \u017ee se mus\u00edm zm\u011bnit.“<\/p>\n

Psycholo\u017eka z publika k tomu poznamenala, \u017ee \u010dlov\u011bk si udr\u017e\u00ed v\u00e1hu jen tehdy, kdy\u017e d\u011bl\u00e1 n\u011bco, co je mu bl\u00edzk\u00e9. „Pokud mi v\u00fd\u017eivov\u00fd poradce \u0159ekne, \u017ee nem\u00e1m j\u00edst ml\u00e9\u010dn\u00e9 v\u00fdrobky, a\u010dkoli je m\u00e1m r\u00e1da, tak takov\u00fd \u010dlov\u011bk se bude t\u00fdden tr\u00e1pit a pak to poru\u0161\u00ed. Takhle se lid\u00e9 protr\u00e1p\u00ed \u017eivotem s dietami.“ Obezitolog Matoulek doplnil, \u017ee je ka\u017ed\u00fd \u010dlov\u011bk jin\u00fd. U n\u011bkter\u00fdch lid\u00ed stres vyvol\u00e1v\u00e1 nap\u0159. chu\u0165 na sladk\u00e9.<\/p>\n

Mlad\u00e1 \u017eena z publika prozradila, \u017ee byla u v\u00fd\u017eivov\u00e9ho poradce, zaplatila mu tis\u00edc korun a on j\u00ed sestavil t\u00fddenn\u00ed seznam j\u00eddel s obecn\u00fdmi radami. „Ne\u0159ekl mi vlastn\u011b nic nov\u00e9ho, za co si tedy ten poradce vzal tis\u00edc korun?“ ptala se mlad\u00e1 \u017eena. In\u017een\u00fdr Mach oponoval, \u017ee z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm na ka\u017ed\u00e9m \u010dlov\u011bku, jak se ke sv\u00e9mu t\u011blu postav\u00ed. „Nem\u016f\u017eeme m\u00edt zodpov\u011bdnost za chov\u00e1n\u00ed klienta,“ argumentoval.<\/p>\n

Doktor Kohout poznamenal, \u017ee se mu tak potvrdila ji\u017e zm\u00edn\u011bn\u00e1 my\u0161lenka. V\u00fd\u017eivov\u00ed poradci d\u00e1vaj\u00ed dobr\u00e9 rady, berou za to pen\u00edze a nenesou \u017e\u00e1dnou zodpov\u011bdnost. Pavel Vohnout se oto\u010dil k l\u00e9ka\u0159\u016fm a prohl\u00e1sil: „J\u00e1 v\u011b\u0159\u00edm mnohem v\u00edce v\u00e1m ne\u017e tam t\u011bm \u0161arlat\u00e1n\u016fm.“ A uk\u00e1zal na v\u00fd\u017eivov\u00e9 poradce. To ov\u0161em nem\u011bn\u00ed nic na tom, \u017ee doporu\u010duje p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm konzultace s psychologem.<\/p>\n

cel\u00fd \u010dl\u00e1nek zde<\/a><\/p>\n

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V\u00e1no\u010dn\u00ed sv\u00e1tky skon\u010dily a mnoz\u00ed lid\u00e9 \u0159e\u0161\u00ed kardin\u00e1ln\u00ed ot\u00e1zku, jak zhubnout. Ob\u00e9zn\u00edch lid\u00ed v \u010cesku toti\u017e p\u0159ib\u00fdv\u00e1. O tom, jak zdrav\u011b zhubnout, se diskutovalo tak\u00e9 […]<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":2579,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4,12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-24179","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-nazory","category-rozhovory"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24179","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=24179"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24179\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/2579"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=24179"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=24179"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=24179"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}