{"id":25995,"date":"2016-07-08T12:05:48","date_gmt":"2016-07-08T10:05:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=25995"},"modified":"2016-07-08T12:05:48","modified_gmt":"2016-07-08T10:05:48","slug":"byt-nevidomym-rodicem-neni-zadny-problem-rika-ondrej-lusk","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=25995","title":{"rendered":"„B\u00fdt nevidom\u00fdm rodi\u010dem nen\u00ed \u017e\u00e1dn\u00fd probl\u00e9m,“ \u0159\u00edk\u00e1 Ond\u0159ej Lusk"},"content":{"rendered":"

Jedenat\u0159icetilet\u00fd Ond\u0159ej Lusk \u017eije v Praze u\u017e sedmn\u00e1ct let. „\u017divot ve velk\u00e9m m\u011bst\u011b je pro n\u00e1s v mnoh\u00e9m jednodu\u0161\u0161\u00ed a i bezpe\u010dn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e \u017eivot na mal\u00e9 vesnici,“ \u0159\u00edk\u00e1 nevidom\u00fd Pra\u017ean.<\/strong> <\/p>\n

– P\u016fvodn\u011b poch\u00e1z\u00edte z Hlubok\u00e9 nad Vltavou a nevidom\u00fdm jste od narozen\u00ed. M\u016f\u017eete srovn\u00e1vat, kde se nevidom\u00fdm l\u00e9pe \u017eije?<\/p>\n

Ur\u010dit\u011b v Praze. Na mal\u00e9m m\u011bst\u011b m\u00e1te t\u0159eba po stran\u011b silnice svah dol\u016f, ale nen\u00ed to ni\u010d\u00edm ohrani\u010den\u00e9, proto\u017ee se prost\u011b nepo\u010d\u00edt\u00e1 s t\u00edm, \u017ee se tam bude pohybovat n\u011bkdo, kdo by si toho nev\u0161iml. V Praze jsou tyto v\u011bci v\u00edce o\u0161et\u0159en\u00e9. A velk\u00e1 m\u011bsta maj\u00ed pro n\u00e1s i dal\u0161\u00ed v\u00fdhody.<\/p>\n

– Nap\u0159\u00edklad?<\/p>\n

Ve m\u011bst\u011b jsou zvuky, kter\u00e9 n\u00e1m \u0159\u00edkaj\u00ed, co se okolo d\u011bje. Nav\u00edc tu jsou lid\u00e9, kter\u00fdch se m\u016f\u017eeme p\u0159\u00edpadn\u011b zeptat, kdy\u017e si nejsme jisti. A \u0159ekl bych, \u017ee m\u011bsto je i logi\u010dt\u011bji uspo\u0159\u00e1dan\u00e9, symetrick\u00e9 a jsou tu r\u016fzn\u00e9 orienta\u010dn\u00ed body. A co se Prahy t\u00fd\u010de, je nav\u00edc z velk\u00e9 \u010d\u00e1sti bezbari\u00e9rov\u00e1.<\/p>\n

– To m\u00e1 pro nevidom\u00e9 opravdu tak velk\u00fd v\u00fdznam?<\/p>\n

Bezbari\u00e9rovost\u00ed mysl\u00edm to, \u017ee v Praze existuj\u00ed vodic\u00ed linie, kter\u00e9 v\u00e1s dovedou k p\u0159echodu, p\u0159\u00edpadn\u011b i p\u0159es ten p\u0159echod. Nebo jsou t\u0159eba vodic\u00ed linie na v\u011bt\u0161in\u011b n\u00e1stupi\u0161\u0165 v metru. Dovedou n\u00e1s ke schod\u016fm nebo pod\u00e9l n\u00e1stupi\u0161t\u011b.<\/p>\n

– To jsou ty r\u00fdhy na zemi?<\/p>\n

P\u0159esn\u011b tak, takov\u00e9 vyfr\u00e9zovan\u00e9 dr\u00e1\u017eky v povrchu. To je pro n\u00e1s hodn\u011b velk\u00e1 pomoc. Velmi d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9 jsou tak\u00e9 ozvu\u010den\u00e9 p\u0159echody. Cvakaj\u00edc\u00ed semafory jsou pro n\u00e1s \u00fa\u017easn\u00e1 v\u011bc. Dal\u0161\u00ed plus je, \u017ee se v m\u011bstsk\u00e9 hromadn\u00e9 doprav\u011b hl\u00e1s\u00ed zast\u00e1vky.<\/p>\n

– Pokud ov\u0161em nen\u00ed hl\u00e1\u0161en\u00ed opo\u017ed\u011bn\u00e9\u2026<\/p>\n

Ano, mus\u00ed fungovat spr\u00e1vn\u011b. N\u011bkolikr\u00e1t jsem u\u017e za\u017eil, \u017ee hl\u00e1sili opa\u010dn\u00fd sm\u011br anebo i jinou linku. Pro slabozrak\u00e9 je pak dobr\u00e9, kdy\u017e jsou t\u0159eba nabarven\u00e9 okraje schod\u016f \u017elutou barvou, \u010dlov\u011bk m\u00e1 pak \u010das se zarazit.<\/p>\n

– Jsou n\u011bjak\u00e9 v\u011bci, kter\u00e9 v\u00e1m naopak vad\u00ed?<\/p>\n

Ur\u010dit\u011b je spousta v\u011bc\u00ed, kter\u00e9 by se daly vylep\u0161it. T\u0159eba vloni n\u011bkdo ud\u011blal v\u00fdkop na chodn\u00edku hned za p\u0159echodem a neohrani\u010dil ho \u017e\u00e1dnou p\u00e1skou ani z\u00e1bradl\u00edm. Tak\u017ee jsem p\u0159e\u0161el p\u0159echod a najednou jsem vlet\u011bl do d\u00edry. Velk\u00fdm probl\u00e9mem jsou i p\u0159ek\u00e1\u017eky v \u00farovni hlavy. J\u00e1 si s b\u00edlou hol\u00ed najdu ter\u00e9nn\u00ed zm\u011bny. Ale p\u0159ek\u00e1\u017eky v \u00farovni hlavy, kter\u00e9 zasahuj\u00ed do prostoru, kde se pohybuji, nem\u00e1m \u0161anci naj\u00edt.<\/p>\n

– T\u0159eba n\u011bjak\u00e9 cedule?<\/p>\n

Tak\u00e9, ale p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm jsou to neosekan\u00e9 v\u011btve, kter\u00e9 zasahuj\u00ed do chodn\u00edku. Potom zna\u010dky, le\u0161en\u00ed a n\u011bkdy i \u0161patn\u011b ud\u011blan\u00e9 eskal\u00e1tory v n\u011bkter\u00fdch obchodn\u00edch centrech, kdy\u017e k nim p\u0159ijdete jakoby zespoda.<\/p>\n

– V\u00edm, \u017ee jste d\u0159\u00edve d\u00edky sportu a reprezentaci hodn\u011b cestoval. D\u00e1 se n\u011bjak Praha srovnat s jin\u00fdmi evropsk\u00fdmi metropolemi?<\/p>\n

V jin\u00fdch zem\u00edch mi p\u0159i\u0161lo, \u017ee to nen\u00ed na takov\u00e9 \u00farovni jako u n\u00e1s. Ani t\u0159eba ve \u0160v\u00fdcarsku \u010di ve Francii. Jsou to rozvinut\u00e9 zem\u011b, ale se zvukovou signalizac\u00ed u semaforu nebo s vodic\u00edmi liniemi jsem se tam rozhodn\u011b tak \u010dasto jako v Praze nesetk\u00e1val. Naopak. Pokud tam \u0161el nevidom\u00fd \u010dlov\u011bk po ulici, v\u011bt\u0161inou m\u011bl n\u011bjak\u00fd vid\u00edc\u00ed doprovod. Co\u017e podle m\u011b nen\u00ed v po\u0159\u00e1dku.<\/p>\n

– Pro\u010d?<\/p>\n

Podle m\u011b je lep\u0161\u00ed ud\u011blat prost\u0159ed\u00ed takov\u00e9, aby se \u010dlov\u011bk mohl pohybovat nez\u00e1visle na pomoci jin\u00e9 osoby, ne\u017e spol\u00e9hat na to, \u017ee s n\u00edm bude moci poka\u017ed\u00e9 n\u011bkdo n\u011bkam j\u00edt.<\/p>\n

– Jak na v\u00e1s reaguj\u00ed Pra\u017ean\u00e9?<\/p>\n

Docela dob\u0159e. Mus\u00edm \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee se situace ve spole\u010dnosti hodn\u011b zlep\u0161ila. P\u0159ed revoluc\u00ed nevidom\u00ed nemohli sehnat slu\u0161n\u00e9 zam\u011bstn\u00e1n\u00ed, vystudovat vysokou \u0161kolu a byli jsme rozhodn\u011b v\u00edce na okraji spole\u010dnosti. Dnes m\u00e1me v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed mo\u017enosti.<\/p>\n

– Mysl\u00edte, \u017ee za to m\u016f\u017ee osv\u011bta? P\u0159ece jen se v dne\u0161n\u00ed dob\u011b o t\u011bchto v\u011bcech v\u00edce mluv\u00ed.<\/p>\n

Ur\u010dit\u011b. J\u00e1 t\u0159eba osobn\u011b pracuji v ob\u010dansk\u00e9m sdru\u017een\u00ed Okam\u017eik, kde d\u011bl\u00e1m r\u016fzn\u00e9 p\u0159edn\u00e1\u0161ky a semin\u00e1\u0159e pro firmy \u010di \u0161koly. Sna\u017e\u00edme se lidem n\u00e1\u0161 sv\u011bt trochu p\u0159ibl\u00ed\u017eit.<\/p>\n

– Pokud v\u00edm, tak tak\u00e9 prov\u00e1d\u00edte na Neviditeln\u00e9 v\u00fdstav\u011b.<\/p>\n

Ano, lid\u00e9 si tam mohou zkusit, jak\u00e9 to je, b\u00fdt nevidom\u00fd, v praxi. Ve tm\u011b si proch\u00e1zet r\u016fzn\u00e1 prost\u0159ed\u00ed a situace. V\u0159ele doporu\u010duji. Tyhle v\u011bci tomu hodn\u011b pom\u00e1haj\u00ed. Lid\u00e9 si za\u010d\u00ednaj\u00ed uv\u011bdomovat, \u017ee to, \u017ee chod\u00edm s b\u00edlou hol\u00ed, neznamen\u00e1, \u017ee jsem n\u011bjak\u00fd mimozem\u0161\u0165an, ale \u017ee jsem stejn\u00fd \u010dlov\u011bk jako oni, akor\u00e1t holt pot\u0159ebuji m\u00edt v ruce h\u016flku.<\/p>\n

– Nab\u00edzej\u00ed v\u00e1m lid\u00e9 sami pomoc?<\/p>\n

Docela ano, ale ne v\u017edy \u00fapln\u011b vhodnou formou. Jednou jsem \u0161el po chodn\u00edku a n\u011bkdo m\u011b najednou zezadu drapnul za krk a za\u010dal m\u011b beze slova n\u011bkam kormidlovat. Je\u0161t\u011b mi beze slova vytrhl h\u016flku a s\u00e1m s n\u00ed za\u010dal \u0165ukat, co\u017e jsem teda v\u016fbec nepochopil pro\u010d.<\/p>\n

– Lid\u00e9 se maj\u00ed nejd\u0159\u00edve zeptat?<\/p>\n

Ano, jestli si lid\u00e9 mysl\u00ed, \u017ee nevidom\u00fd pot\u0159ebuje pomoci, nen\u00ed nic \u0161patn\u00e9ho na tom, se ho t\u0159eba zeptat, jestli je\u0161t\u011b trochu vid\u00ed. V\u0161echno je to jen o komunikaci.<\/p>\n

– D\u00e1 se n\u011bjak rozeznat, zda pomoc pot\u0159ebujete, \u010di ne, ani\u017e bychom se ptali?<\/p>\n

Ano, pokud vid\u00edte nevidom\u00e9ho, kter\u00fd stoj\u00ed v metru na n\u00e1stupi\u0161ti a \u010dek\u00e1 na metro, tak nen\u00ed d\u016fvod se ho pt\u00e1t, proto\u017ee nastoupit do metra ur\u010dit\u011b um\u00ed. Ale kdy\u017e ho uvid\u00edte bloud\u00edc\u00edho na ulici, jak se ot\u00e1\u010d\u00ed dokola a n\u011bco hled\u00e1, to je p\u0159esn\u011b ten moment, kdy je vhodn\u00e9 se ho zeptat. A pak je d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9 nechat na nevidom\u00e9m, aby se v\u00e1s s\u00e1m chytil, ne ho n\u011bkam t\u00e1hnout.<\/p>\n

– Setkal jste se n\u011bkdy v Praze i s negativn\u00edmi reakcemi?<\/p>\n

To se stane, t\u0159eba jsem potkal babi\u010dku s vnu\u010dkou a vnu\u010dka se ptala: Babi, pro\u010d m\u00e1 ten p\u00e1n tu h\u016flku? A babi\u010dka pov\u00edd\u00e1: Proto\u017ee v minul\u00e9m \u017eivot\u011b h\u0159e\u0161il a te\u010f za to pyk\u00e1 a nevid\u00ed. A kdy\u017e takov\u00e9 lidi potk\u00e1\u0161, tak se s nimi v\u016fbec nebav a v\u016fbec jim nepom\u00e1hej. Co se na to d\u00e1 \u0159\u00edct?<\/p>\n

– To zn\u00ed dost hrozn\u011b. Kdy\u017e jsme ale u t\u011bch d\u011bt\u00ed, v\u00edm, \u017ee m\u00e1te \u010dty\u0159letou dceru a va\u0161e man\u017eelka je tak\u00e9 nevidom\u00e1. Je to n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e9, starat se beze zraku o d\u00edt\u011b?<\/p>\n

Rodi\u010dovstv\u00ed beze zraku nen\u00ed \u017e\u00e1dn\u00fd probl\u00e9m. Mus\u00edte m\u00edt nastaven\u00e1 ur\u010dit\u00e1 pravidla, p\u0159es p\u0159echody mus\u00ed j\u00edt dcera za ruku, aby se j\u00ed nic nestalo, nebo kdy\u017e na ni zavol\u00e1m jm\u00e9nem, mus\u00ed se mi ozvat. Ale d\u00edt\u011b za\u010dne velmi brzy ch\u00e1pat, \u017ee rodi\u010de nevid\u00ed, a d\u00e1v\u00e1 si na to samo pozor.<\/p>\n

– Tak\u017ee u\u017e to va\u0161e dcera ch\u00e1pe?<\/p>\n

Za\u010d\u00edn\u00e1 si to te\u010f do d\u016fsledku uv\u011bdomovat. V podstat\u011b n\u00e1s za\u010d\u00edn\u00e1 sama trochu vodit. N\u011bkdy je to docela vtipn\u00e9. Kdy\u017e jdeme t\u0159eba n\u011bkam na proch\u00e1zku, je hrozn\u011b d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e1 a \u0159\u00edk\u00e1: Tat\u00ednku, pozor, tady je sloupek, to mus\u00edme obej\u00edt.<\/p>\n

– Mysl\u00edte, \u017ee to, \u017ee va\u0161e partnerka tak\u00e9 nevid\u00ed, m\u00e1 n\u011bjakou v\u00fdhodu? T\u0159eba \u017ee v\u00edce vz\u00e1jemn\u011b ch\u00e1pete sv\u016fj handicap?<\/p>\n

V jist\u00e9m smyslu ano. Kdy\u017e m\u00e1te nevidom\u00e9ho partnera \u010di partnerku, sn\u00e1ze si najdete doma ve v\u011bcech ur\u010dit\u00fd syst\u00e9m, jak to budete d\u011blat, kam si ty v\u011bci budete d\u00e1vat, a ch\u00e1pete problematiku toho druh\u00e9ho. Na druhou stranu, kdy\u017e v\u00e1\u0161 partner vid\u00ed, m\u016f\u017ee bez pomoci nakupovat, m\u016f\u017ee m\u00edt \u0159idi\u010d\u00e1k, tak\u017ee m\u016f\u017eete jezdit autem, p\u0159e\u010dte v\u00e1m dopisy nebo \u0159ekne, jestli m\u00e1te v ruce hladkou, nebo hrubou mouku. M\u00e1 to tedy sv\u00e1 pro a proti.<\/p>\n

Tereza Bla\u017ekov\u00e1
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