{"id":26611,"date":"2016-10-20T13:48:26","date_gmt":"2016-10-20T11:48:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=26611"},"modified":"2016-10-20T13:48:26","modified_gmt":"2016-10-20T11:48:26","slug":"podminky-pro-neslysici-nejsou-u-nas-optimalni","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=26611","title":{"rendered":"Podm\u00ednky pro nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed nejsou u n\u00e1s optim\u00e1ln\u00ed"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>T\u0159iat\u0159icetilet\u00fd Tom\u00e1\u0161 Bogner se u\u017e jako nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed narodil. Za pr\u00e1va lid\u00ed se stejn\u00fdm handicapem bojuje cel\u00fd \u017eivot a zm\u00edn\u011bn\u00e9 problematice velmi rozum\u00ed. S razanc\u00ed a jist\u00fdm roz\u010d\u00edlen\u00edm znakuje p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm ve chv\u00edli, kdy se dostaneme k faktu, \u017ee o sv\u011bt\u011b nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00edch \u010dasto rozhoduj\u00ed sly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed. Podle n\u011bj nen\u00ed mo\u017en\u00e9 \u0159\u00eddit a rozhodovat o n\u011b\u010dem, \u010demu zdaleka nelze rozum\u011bt.<\/strong><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Jak byste popsal sv\u011bt nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00edch?<\/p>\n<p>Je stejn\u011b plnohodnotn\u00fd, jako sv\u011bt v\u00e1\u0161, sly\u0161\u00edc\u00edch. M\u00e1me vlastn\u00ed kulturu, sv\u00e9 z\u00e1jmy, kon\u00ed\u010dky, profesn\u00ed uplatn\u011bn\u00ed, p\u0159\u00e1tele, bohatou historii a kr\u00e1sn\u00fd \u010desk\u00fd znakov\u00fd jazyk, kter\u00fd je pro n\u00e1s p\u0159irozen\u00fd. My dva se od sebe li\u0161\u00edme jen t\u00edm, \u017ee j\u00e1 znakuji a vy mluv\u00edte.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; M\u00e1te pocit, \u017ee se ob\u010das mus\u00edte p\u0159izp\u016fsobovat n\u00e1m sly\u0161\u00edc\u00edm a\u017e p\u0159\u00edli\u0161?<\/p>\n<p>N\u011bkdy ano. Podm\u00ednky pro n\u00e1\u0161 \u017eivot nejsou v\u017edy vyhovuj\u00edc\u00ed. Kdybychom m\u011bli t\u0159eba k dispozici dostatek tlumo\u010dn\u00edk\u016f a v\u0161echny d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9 informace by byly p\u0159elo\u017een\u00e9 do \u010desk\u00e9ho znakov\u00e9ho jazyka, m\u011bli v\u00edce p\u0159\u00edle\u017eitost\u00ed uplatnit sv\u00e9 v\u011bdomosti a schopnosti v praxi, pak by se n\u00e1m \u017eilo ur\u010dit\u011b snadn\u011bji. Ale nest\u011b\u017euji si. Z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed na lidech, respektu a porozum\u011bn\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Nejv\u011bt\u0161\u00edm probl\u00e9mem je nedostatek tlumo\u010dn\u00edk\u016f?<\/p>\n<p>D\u00e1 se to tak \u0159\u00edci. Na jednoho tlumo\u010dn\u00edka \u010desk\u00e9ho znakov\u00e9ho jazyka u n\u00e1s vych\u00e1z\u00ed sto \u010dty\u0159icet t\u0159i nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00edch. Ve sv\u011bt\u011b a v dal\u0161\u00edch zem\u00edch Evropy jsou \u010d\u00edsla zcela jin\u00e1. Na \u010dty\u0159i a\u017e p\u011bt nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00edch vych\u00e1z\u00ed jeden tlumo\u010dn\u00edk. Proto jsem r\u00e1d, \u017ee v Hradci Kr\u00e1lov\u00e9 vznikla Vy\u0161\u0161\u00ed odborn\u00e1 \u0161kola pro tlumo\u010dn\u00edky, kter\u00e1 letos otev\u0159ela prvn\u00ed ro\u010dn\u00edk. Postupn\u011b se tedy v\u011bci h\u00fdbou spr\u00e1vn\u00fdm sm\u011brem.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Kolik \u0161kol pro nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed je v \u010cesk\u00e9 republice celkem?<\/p>\n<p>T\u0159in\u00e1ct. V\u011bt\u0161\u00ed \u010d\u00e1st u\u010ditel\u016f ov\u0161em neznakuje, tud\u00ed\u017e v\u00fduka nen\u00ed tak kvalitn\u00ed, jak by m\u011bla b\u00fdt. Na d\u011bti s posti\u017een\u00edm sluchu i nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed \u0159ada u\u010ditel\u016f norm\u00e1ln\u011b mluv\u00ed a d\u011bti jim v lep\u0161\u00edm p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b \u0161patn\u011b rozum\u00ed. V hor\u0161\u00edm pak nerozum\u00ed v\u016fbec. Neznalost znakov\u00e9ho jazyka u\u010ditel\u016f je dal\u0161\u00ed velk\u00fd probl\u00e9m na speci\u00e1ln\u00edch \u0161kol\u00e1ch pro d\u011bti s vadami sluchu u n\u00e1s. Jak se potom maj\u00ed d\u011bti d\u00e1le vzd\u011bl\u00e1vat? P\u0159itom je mezi nimi hodn\u011b chytr\u00fdch a nadan\u00fdch d\u011bt\u00ed. Podle z\u00e1kona nav\u00edc maj\u00ed na vzd\u011bl\u00e1n\u00ed pr\u00e1vo. V roce 1998 toto bylo uz\u00e1kon\u011bno a dodnes z\u00e1kon nem\u00e1 vyhl\u00e1\u0161ku, a zm\u011bna t\u00edm p\u00e1dem nenastala. Sly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed by m\u011bli v\u011bd\u011bt, \u017ee nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed maj\u00ed stejn\u00e9 schopnosti jako oni. Jen pot\u0159ebujeme pomoci s komunikac\u00ed a v\u00edce na\u0161e z\u00e1jmy i pot\u0159eby propagovat ve\u0159ejn\u011b. Hodn\u011b by pomohlo m\u00edt nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed odborn\u00edky ve st\u00e1tn\u00ed spr\u00e1v\u011b, na ministerstvech, v parlamentu a ve vl\u00e1d\u011b. Jedin\u011b nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed \u010dlov\u011bk rozum\u00ed kultu\u0159e nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00edch, zn\u00e1 probl\u00e9my spojen\u00e9 s vadami sluchu, se vzd\u011bl\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00edm d\u011bt\u00ed, student\u016f, s uplatn\u011bn\u00edm na trhu pr\u00e1ce a v\u00ed, co n\u00e1m chyb\u00ed, co pot\u0159ebujeme. Sly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed \u010dlov\u011bk nikdy pln\u011b nepochop\u00ed ani neporozum\u00ed t\u00e9to problematice. Co\u017e je logick\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; V Kr\u00e1lov\u00e9hradeck\u00e9m kraji letos kandidoval jeden nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed\u2026<\/p>\n<p>M\u00e1te pravdu. \u0160koda, \u017ee se nedostal do Zastupitelstva kraje. Ne v\u017edy v\u0161e vyjde. Dobr\u00e9 je, \u017ee uk\u00e1zal sly\u0161\u00edc\u00edm, \u017ee nen\u00ed t\u0159eba se b\u00e1t s nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00edmi komunikovat. Kdy\u017e nen\u00ed tlumo\u010dn\u00edk, vezme se pap\u00edr, m\u00e1me telefony na naps\u00e1n\u00ed zpr\u00e1vy, dotazu nebo notebooky. Tohle byla skv\u011bl\u00e1 propagace pro nesly\u0161en\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Pro\u010d se mu podle v\u00e1s nedostalo dostate\u010dn\u00e9 podpory?<\/p>\n<p>T\u011b\u017eko \u0159\u00edci pro\u010d. \u0158ekl bych, \u017ee lid\u00e9 o nesly\u0161en\u00ed a s n\u00edm spojen\u00fdch probl\u00e9mech moc nev\u011bd\u00ed. Nemysl\u00edm si, \u017ee nem\u011bl dostatek podpory. Bylo to n\u011bco nov\u00e9ho a pro b\u011b\u017en\u00e9 obyvatele i p\u0159ekvapiv\u00e9ho. M\u00e1m osobn\u00ed zku\u0161enost, \u017ee n\u00e1s n\u011bkte\u0159\u00ed sly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed podce\u0148uj\u00ed. Krajsk\u00e9 volby jsou tak\u00e9 mal\u00fdm rybn\u00ed\u010dkem. Kdyby to byla ot\u00e1zka celorepublikov\u00e1, mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee by usp\u011bl. U n\u00e1s je v\u00edce jak p\u016fl milion\u016f nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00edch a dal\u0161\u00edch lid\u00ed s vadami sluchu. To u\u017e je dost velk\u00e1 s\u00edla.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Jak naopak nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed hledaj\u00ed cestu ke sly\u0161\u00edc\u00edm, aby situaci pomohli?<\/p>\n<p>V\u0161e je o komunikaci, o p\u0159\u00edle\u017eitosti, p\u0159esv\u011bd\u010dov\u00e1n\u00ed, \u017ee se n\u00e1s sly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed nemus\u00ed b\u00e1t. V\u011bra Strnadov\u00e1, kter\u00e1 je spoluautorkou z\u00e1kona o nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00edch, postupn\u011b ztratila sluch, t\u0159eba \u0159\u00edk\u00e1, \u017ee jsou u n\u00e1s obrovsk\u00e9 bari\u00e9ry. Minul\u00fd re\u017eim potla\u010doval v\u0161echny handicapovan\u00e9. A n\u00e1m se od revoluce nepoda\u0159ilo prorazit tak viditeln\u011b, jako se to poda\u0159ilo nevidom\u00fdm nebo voz\u00ed\u010dk\u00e1\u0159\u016fm. Mus\u00edme b\u00fdt v\u00edce sly\u0161et i vid\u011bt.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Opravdu m\u00e1te pocit, \u017ee jsou nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed v\u011bt\u0161inovou sly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed spole\u010dnost\u00ed diskriminov\u00e1ni?<\/p>\n<p>Ano. Nap\u0159\u00edklad v Praze na Sm\u00edchov\u011b byl vyhl\u00e1\u0161en\u00fd konkurz na \u0159editele \u0161koly v Hole\u010dkov\u011b ulici. Hl\u00e1sili se dokonce dva nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed kandid\u00e1ti. M\u011bli v\u0161echny p\u0159edpoklady, a p\u0159esto je z\u00e1stupci ministerstva nevybrali kv\u016fli jazykov\u00e9 bari\u00e9\u0159e. A to nen\u00ed jedin\u00fd p\u0159\u00edklad. Je t\u0159eba si uv\u011bdomit, \u017ee \u010desk\u00fd jazyk je pro nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00edho prvn\u00edm ciz\u00edm jazykem, kter\u00fd se mus\u00ed dob\u0159e nau\u010dit, aby mohl dob\u0159e komunikovat se sly\u0161\u00edc\u00edmi. Ne na v\u0161ech speci\u00e1ln\u00edch \u0161kol\u00e1ch u n\u00e1s se u\u010d\u00ed \u010desk\u00fd jazyk tak, jak by se u\u010dit m\u011bl. Proto se st\u00e1v\u00e1, \u017ee kdy\u017e si sly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed p\u00ed\u0161e s nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00edm, n\u011bkdy sly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed nabude dojmu, \u017ee je nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed nevzd\u011blan\u00fd, proto\u017ee jeho \u010de\u0161tina m\u00e1 hodn\u011b gramatick\u00fdch chyb. Nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed by se m\u011bli gramatiku u\u010dit jako cizinci.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Je to t\u0159eba jako byste mluvili najednou dv\u011bma jazyky?<\/p>\n<p>P\u0159esn\u011b tak. Nap\u0159\u00edklad anglicky a \u010desky. Tak\u00e9 v\u00e1m Angli\u010dan nebude hned rozum\u011bt a vy jemu tak\u00e9 ne. Budete m\u00edt oba v komunikaci gul\u00e1\u0161. Ze sv\u00e9 praxe zn\u00e1m jen p\u00e1r p\u0159\u00edklad\u016f, kdy rodi\u010de nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00edho d\u00edt\u011bte znakuj\u00ed spr\u00e1vn\u011b. A to se v pozd\u011bj\u0161\u00edm v\u011bku d\u00edt\u011bte projev\u00ed negativn\u011b. D\u00edt\u011b jde ve vzd\u011bl\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed neuv\u011b\u0159iteln\u011b dop\u0159edu. Mus\u00ed m\u00edt dobrou komunikaci v rodin\u011b a dobr\u00e9 pedagogy.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Nejste p\u0159ece jen trochu nespravedliv\u00fd v\u016f\u010di sly\u0161\u00edc\u00edm? Na jednu stranu je p\u0159irozen\u00e9, \u017ee men\u0161ina se p\u0159izp\u016fsobuje v\u011bt\u0161in\u011b.<\/p>\n<p>M\u00e1te pravdu. Pokud se ale u\u017e od d\u011btstv\u00ed setk\u00e1v\u00e1te s t\u00edm, \u017ee v\u00e1m okol\u00ed nerozum\u00ed tak, jak byste pot\u0159ebovali, je to t\u011b\u017ek\u00e9. Kdy\u017e nem\u00e1te dostatek informac\u00ed nebo \u010dasto ve t\u0159\u00edd\u011b mezi sly\u0161\u00edc\u00edmi vrstevn\u00edky ani jednoho kamar\u00e1da, m\u00e1te to pak zkr\u00e1tka v sob\u011b. Je probl\u00e9m se pak p\u0159izp\u016fsobit. Od \u00fatl\u00e9ho v\u011bku si tak nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed m\u016f\u017ee v sob\u011b n\u00e9st nespravedlnost, \u017ee je \u0161patn\u011b ch\u00e1p\u00e1n a pozd\u011bji se jen t\u011b\u017eko sly\u0161\u00edc\u00edm lidem otev\u00edr\u00e1 a d\u016fv\u011b\u0159uje jim.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Lze ten p\u0159\u00edstup sly\u0161\u00edc\u00edm vy\u010d\u00edtat? Pokud byste vy s\u00e1m nem\u011bl tento handicap, zaj\u00edmal byste se o problematiku nesly\u0161en\u00ed?<\/p>\n<p>Rozum\u00edm v\u00e1m. M\u00e1m zn\u00e1m\u00e9 na zpravodajsk\u00e9m internetov\u00e9m port\u00e1lu, kte\u0159\u00ed mi na rovinu \u0159\u00edkaj\u00ed, \u017ee tato problematika nikoho nezaj\u00edm\u00e1. Kdybych byl sly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed, t\u011b\u017eko \u0159\u00edci, jak bych vn\u00edmal nesly\u0161en\u00ed. Ur\u010dit\u011b bych nebojkotoval pot\u0159eby nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00edch, jejich pr\u00e1va. Podle mn\u011b by m\u011bli m\u00edt nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed sv\u00e9 z\u00e1stupce na m\u00edstech, kde lze ovlivnit a zm\u011bnit vn\u00edm\u00e1n\u00ed a ch\u00e1p\u00e1n\u00ed d\u016fsledk\u016f handicapu nesly\u0161en\u00ed. Optimisticky v\u011b\u0159\u00edm, \u017ee to jednou vyjde.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; U v\u00e1s m\u00e1m pocit, \u017ee jste si ze sv\u00e9ho handicapu ud\u011blal p\u0159ednost a jste na n\u011bj hrd\u00fd. Dokonce jste vystudoval vysokou \u0161kolu.<\/p>\n<p>Je to tak. Mnoho lid\u00ed si mysl\u00ed, \u017ee nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed nem\u016f\u017ee vystudovat vysokou \u0161kolu. To je omyl. P\u0159itom jde jen o to, aby byl zaji\u0161t\u011bn\u00fd tlumo\u010dn\u00edk. \u0158ada nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00edch pracuje na n\u00edzk\u00fdch pozic\u00edch a nem\u00e1 vidinu kari\u00e9rn\u00edho r\u016fstu. J\u00e1 vystudoval nejd\u0159\u00edve st\u0159edn\u00ed \u0161kolu, obor Zubn\u00ed technik. Tam jsem se d\u00edky skv\u011bl\u00e9 u\u010ditelce \u010desk\u00e9ho jazyka posunul neuv\u011b\u0159iteln\u011b kup\u0159edu a z\u00edskal nen\u00e1vratn\u00e9 mo\u017enosti, jako nap\u0159\u00edklad pozd\u011bji bez probl\u00e9m\u016f vystudovat speci\u00e1ln\u00ed pedagogiku v Brn\u011b. Nyn\u00ed u\u010d\u00edm v pra\u017esk\u00fdch Radlic\u00edch a moderuji Zpr\u00e1vy ve znakov\u00e9m jazyce pro nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed. Nejv\u00edce jsem ale hrd\u00fd na to, \u017ee m\u00e1m osmiletou dceru, kter\u00e1 sly\u0161\u00ed, a p\u0159esto ovl\u00e1d\u00e1 i n\u00e1\u0161 znakov\u00fd jazyk.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Je n\u011bco, co v\u00e1m p\u0159esto v\u0161echno je\u0161t\u011b vylo\u017een\u011b chyb\u00ed?<\/p>\n<p>Mou velikou z\u00e1libou je divadlo. Zn\u00e1m\u00fd chod\u00ed na r\u016fzn\u00e1 p\u0159edstaven\u00ed ka\u017ed\u00fd t\u00fdden. Tak to j\u00e1 nemohu a opravdu mu z\u00e1vid\u00edm. D\u0159\u00edve n\u011bkter\u00e9 hry byly tlumo\u010den\u00e9 v\u00edce. I filmy m\u011bly v\u00edce titulk\u016f. Dneska jsou do \u010desk\u00e9ho znakov\u00e9ho jazyka tlumo\u010den\u00e9 jen vybran\u00e9 hry, jako t\u0159eba ve \u0160vandov\u011b divadle na Sm\u00edchov\u011b, co\u017e je super. Ale v jin\u00fdch m\u011bstech republiky a v jin\u00fdch divadlech o tlumo\u010den\u00ed do \u010desk\u00e9ho znakov\u00e9ho jazyka nev\u00edm. V\u011b\u0159\u00edm, \u017ee se i tady situace do budoucna zlep\u0161\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>Slavn\u00ed nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed: &#8211; John Cornforht: Nositel Nobelovy ceny za chemii v roce 1975 &#8211; Thomas Alva Edison: americk\u00fd podnikatel a vyn\u00e1lezce \u017e\u00e1rovky a fonografu &#8211; Boris Masn\u00edk: anim\u00e1tor a zakladatel studia na Barandov\u011b &#8222;Brat\u0159i v triku&#8220; &#8211; Josef V\u00e1clav Myslbek: socha\u0159 a autor pomn\u00edku sv. V\u00e1clava na V\u00e1clavsk\u00e9m n\u00e1m\u011bst\u00ed v Praze &#8211; Bed\u0159ich Smetana: v\u00fdznamn\u00fd \u010desk\u00fd hudebn\u00ed skladatel, mezi jeho d\u00edla pat\u0159\u00ed opera Prodan\u00e1 nev\u011bsta nebo Branibo\u0159i v \u010cech\u00e1ch &#8211; Helen Kellerov\u00e1: americk\u00e1 spisovatelka a lektorka, jako prvn\u00ed hluchoslep\u00fd \u010dlov\u011bk vystudovala Harvardskou universitu<\/p>\n<p>ANDREA GRUBNEROV\u00c1<br \/>\nBene\u0161ovsk\u00fd den\u00edk<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.benesovsky.denik.cz\/\">http:\/\/www.benesovsky.denik.cz\/<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div class=\"mh-excerpt\"><p>T\u0159iat\u0159icetilet\u00fd Tom\u00e1\u0161 Bogner se u\u017e jako nesly\u0161\u00edc\u00ed narodil. Za pr\u00e1va lid\u00ed se stejn\u00fdm handicapem bojuje cel\u00fd \u017eivot a zm\u00edn\u011bn\u00e9 problematice velmi rozum\u00ed. 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