{"id":27964,"date":"2017-04-13T10:24:53","date_gmt":"2017-04-13T08:24:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=27964"},"modified":"2017-04-13T10:24:53","modified_gmt":"2017-04-13T08:24:53","slug":"strach-ze-samoty-je-casto-vetsi-nez-z-bolesti-jaky-je-vyznam-duchovni-pece-v-nemocnici-a-v-nemoci","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=27964","title":{"rendered":"\u201eStrach ze samoty je \u010dasto v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e z bolesti.\u201c Jak\u00fd je v\u00fdznam duchovn\u00ed p\u00e9\u010de v nemocnici a v nemoci?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong> Velikono\u010dn\u00ed rozhovor s nemocni\u010dn\u00edm kaplanem Fakultn\u00ed nemocnice Brno kn\u011bzem Leo Zerhauem a pastora\u010dn\u00ed asistentkou Annou Kostkovou o roli duchovn\u00ed p\u00e9\u010de v \u017eivot\u011b nemocn\u00fdch lid\u00ed.<\/strong><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Zkratky LZ = Leo Zerhau,Th.D., AK = Anna Kostkov\u00e1<\/p>\n<p><strong><br \/>\nJak dlouho ve Fakultn\u00ed nemocnici Brno p\u016fsob\u00edte a m\u016f\u017eete p\u0159ipomenout n\u011bkter\u00e9 chv\u00edle, kter\u00e9 V\u00e1m obzvl\u00e1\u0161\u0165 utkv\u011bly v pam\u011bti?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>LZ: V nemocnici p\u016fsob\u00edm asi patn\u00e1ct let. Jsou to tv\u00e1\u0159e mnoha lid\u00ed, se kter\u00fdmi jsem se setkal, samoz\u0159ejm\u011b zvl\u00e1\u0161t\u011b t\u011bch, kte\u0159\u00ed ode\u0161li na druh\u00fd b\u0159eh. Nap\u0159\u00edklad jedn\u00e9 mlad\u00e9 \u017eeny, velmi state\u010dn\u00e9 ve sv\u00e9 t\u011b\u017ek\u00e9 nemoci, kter\u00e1 se p\u0159ibl\u00ed\u017eila v\u00ed\u0159e a, i kdy\u017e ji potkalo pr\u00e1v\u011b b\u011bhem nemoci i v osobn\u00edm \u017eivot\u011b mnoho t\u011b\u017ek\u00e9ho, sna\u017eila se kr\u00e1\u010det ve velk\u00e9 up\u0159\u00edmnosti p\u0159ed Bohem i lidmi. Vzpom\u00edn\u00e1m na bohoslu\u017ebu slou\u017eenou tak trochu na divoko v j\u00eddeln\u011b, kdy\u017e se jednu ned\u011bli nena\u0161ly kl\u00ed\u010de od na\u0161ich obvykl\u00fdch m\u00edstnost\u00ed a p\u0159edm\u011bt\u016f. Vzpom\u00edn\u00e1m na \u0159adu lid\u00ed, kte\u0159\u00ed n\u00e1m vy\u0161li vst\u0159\u00edc, na konference Zdravotn\u00edk &#8211; k\u0159es\u0165an po\u0159\u00e1dan\u00e9 ve spolupr\u00e1ci s pan\u00ed n\u00e1m\u011bstkyn\u00ed Mi\u010dudovou. Za 15 let je toho hodn\u011b.<\/p>\n<p>AK: Ve FN Brno Bohunice p\u016fsob\u00edm dev\u011bt let. Ze za\u010d\u00e1tku jsem se musela nau\u010dit orientovat v prost\u0159ed\u00ed nemocnice, kter\u00e9 na mne p\u016fsobilo anonymn\u011b. Duchovn\u00ed p\u00e9\u010de byla v za\u010d\u00e1tc\u00edch a j\u00e1 si sama hledala cestu, jak slu\u017ebu uchopit. Postupn\u011b se mi povedlo nav\u00e1zat vztahy s person\u00e1lem na jednotliv\u00fdch odd\u011blen\u00edch. Dnes mohu \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee m\u00e1me hezkou spolupr\u00e1ci na v\u0161ech odd\u011blen\u00edch. Na jednom z odd\u011blen\u00ed, kde je b\u011bhem roku vy\u0161\u0161\u00ed \u00famrtnost, mne vrchn\u00ed sestra oslovila s t\u00edm, zda by se n\u011bco v t\u00e9to oblasti nedalo ud\u011blat pro poz\u016fstal\u00e9 a person\u00e1l. Vrchn\u00ed sestra a person\u00e1l m\u011bli pocit, \u017ee z jejich strany to nen\u00ed zcela uzav\u0159en\u00e9. Navrhla jsem jim, \u017ee ka\u017ed\u00fd rok prvn\u00ed pond\u011bl\u00ed v m\u011bs\u00edci kv\u011btnu uspo\u0159\u00e1d\u00e1me m\u0161i svatou za v\u0161echny, kte\u0159\u00ed zem\u0159eli na jejich odd\u011blen\u00ed b\u011bhem posledn\u00edho roku, a pozveme na ni jak person\u00e1l, tak i poz\u016fstal\u00e9 rodinn\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edslu\u0161n\u00edky. Po m\u0161i bylo pak mal\u00e9 poho\u0161t\u011bn\u00ed v refekt\u00e1\u0159i u Kapuc\u00edn\u016f. Bylo to velice mil\u00e9 setk\u00e1n\u00ed a pozn\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed v jin\u00e9 rovin\u011b. Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee tento ritu\u00e1l pomohl jak rodin\u00e1m poz\u016fstal\u00fdch, tak i person\u00e1lu. V t\u00e9to oblasti je pot\u0159eba pe\u010dovat i o person\u00e1l, proto\u017ee je to pr\u00e1ce psychicky i fyzicky n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e1.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Pane far\u00e1\u0159i, v \u010dem spat\u0159ujete d\u016fle\u017eitost duchovn\u00ed p\u00e9\u010de v nemocnici? Jak\u00e9 je posl\u00e1n\u00ed nemocni\u010dn\u00edho kaplana?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>LZ: Ta role se d\u00e1 vyj\u00e1d\u0159it r\u016fzn\u011b. Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee to byl Nietzsche, ne zrovna p\u0159\u00edtel n\u00e1bo\u017eenstv\u00ed, kdo \u0159ekl, \u017ee Boha nejde vyhnat z gramatiky. \u017de je n\u011bjak na dn\u011b na\u0161\u00ed \u0159e\u010di. Roli kaplana vid\u00edm v t\u011bchto hlub\u0161\u00edch rozhovorech. O nad\u011bji, o zklam\u00e1n\u00ed, o vin\u011b, o vztaz\u00edch, o smyslu. Nemus\u00ed to b\u00fdt b\u016fhv\u00edjak slo\u017eit\u00e9 rozhovory. Ale kaplan m\u00e1 b\u00fdt cvi\u010den\u00fd tyto v\u011bci pojmenov\u00e1vat a pomoci lidem o nich mluvit. A kdy\u017e se B\u016fh \u201ev gramatice\u201d objev\u00ed n\u011bjak v\u00edc, m\u00e1 kaplan nemocn\u00e9mu um\u011bt zprost\u0159edkovat to, o co \u017e\u00e1d\u00e1, tedy kn\u011bze, modlitbu, ob\u0159ad, podle jeho p\u0159\u00e1n\u00ed. A nemus\u00ed j\u00edt jen o pacienty.<\/p>\n<p><strong>V \u010dem spo\u010d\u00edvaj\u00ed specifika duchovn\u00ed p\u00e9\u010de o nemocn\u00e9ho \u010dlov\u011bka?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>LZ: Mus\u00ed tu b\u00fdt v\u00edce naslouch\u00e1n\u00ed a tichosti, snaha objevit situaci slabosti jako za\u010d\u00e1tek hled\u00e1n\u00ed nov\u00fdch jistot. Nav\u00edc se mi l\u00edb\u00ed zaj\u00edmav\u00fd a kr\u00e1sn\u00fd sv\u011bt nemocnice \u2013 skv\u011bl\u00fd plod na\u0161\u00ed civilizace, kter\u00e1 stav\u00ed pot\u0159ebn\u00e9ho \u010dlov\u011bka do centra pozornosti ostatn\u00edch i do centra v\u00fddobytk\u016f jejich inteligence.<\/p>\n<p>AK: V naslouch\u00e1n\u00ed a spole\u010dn\u00e9m hled\u00e1n\u00ed pot\u0159eb pacienta, jeho vlastn\u00edch zdroj\u016f, sil a hodnot, jako\u017e i strategi\u00ed p\u0159i zvl\u00e1d\u00e1n\u00ed nov\u00e9 situace v nemoci.<\/p>\n<p>V napl\u0148ov\u00e1n\u00ed spiritu\u00e1ln\u00edch pot\u0159eb nejen pacienta, ale i person\u00e1lu nemocnice, rodinn\u00fdch p\u0159\u00edslu\u0161n\u00edk\u016f i t\u011bch, kdo za pacientem p\u0159ich\u00e1zej\u00ed, zn\u00e1m\u00fdch, p\u0159\u00e1tel.<\/p>\n<p>V rozhovoru na t\u00e9ma, kter\u00e9 si ur\u010d\u00ed nemocn\u00fd s\u00e1m.<\/p>\n<p>V modlitb\u011b; na p\u0159\u00e1n\u00ed m\u016f\u017ee prov\u00e1zej\u00edc\u00ed katol\u00edk\u016fm zajistit ud\u011blen\u00ed sv\u00e1tost\u00ed, nekatol\u00edk\u016fm n\u00e1v\u0161t\u011bvu duchovn\u00edho jejich vyzn\u00e1n\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p>V hled\u00e1n\u00ed sm\u00ed\u0159en\u00ed se sebou i druh\u00fdmi.<\/p>\n<p>V tich\u00e9 \u00fa\u010dasti spojen\u00e9 s modlitbou v t\u011b\u017ek\u00fdch chv\u00edl\u00edch nebo p\u0159i odch\u00e1zen\u00ed z tohoto sv\u011bta.<\/p>\n<p>V p\u0159ehodnocov\u00e1n\u00ed smyslu \u017eivota zvl\u00e1\u0161t\u011b v nemoci.<\/p>\n<p>V prov\u00e1zen\u00ed bl\u00edzk\u00e9ho b\u011bhem nemoci, kdy\u017e s n\u00edm nem\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt rodina. Kaplan naslouch\u00e1 obav\u00e1m, \u00fazkostem, zm\u00edr\u0148uje osamocenost, nejistotu jejich bl\u00edzk\u00e9ho. Stoj\u00ed p\u0159i rodin\u011b, kdy\u017e je bezradn\u00e1 a bezmocn\u00e1.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jist\u011b se setk\u00e1v\u00e1te s mnoha nevyl\u00e9\u010diteln\u011b nemocn\u00fdmi pacienty na sam\u00e9m konci \u017eivota, co tito lid\u00e9 pro\u017e\u00edvaj\u00ed a pot\u0159ebuj\u00ed?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>LZ: Tito lid\u00e9 v z\u00e1sad\u011b pro\u017e\u00edvaj\u00ed to, co ostatn\u00ed, i kdy\u017e jsou v poku\u0161en\u00ed c\u00edtit se od ostatn\u00edch odd\u011bleni. Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee pot\u0159ebuj\u00ed hlubok\u00e9 v\u011bdom\u00ed pr\u00e1v\u011b toho, \u017ee jsou st\u00e1le stejn\u011b cenn\u00fdmi lidmi, \u017ee jejich hodnota nespo\u010d\u00edv\u00e1 na jejich v\u00fdkonu a \u017ee se jim ostatn\u00ed sna\u017e\u00ed pr\u00e1v\u011b v jejich slabosti pomoci, \u017ee jim na nich z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed. Ka\u017ed\u00fd pak sv\u00fdm osobit\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem hled\u00e1 hloubku sv\u00e9ho \u017eivota, svou nejvnit\u0159n\u011bj\u0161\u00ed hodnotu, kterou nem\u016f\u017ee odn\u00e9st ani utrpen\u00ed a smrt.<\/p>\n<p>AK: Pot\u0159ebuj\u00ed n\u011bkoho, kdo jim je nabl\u00edzku, s k\u00fdm mohou sd\u00edlet sv\u00e9 \u00fazkosti, strach, obavy. \u010castokr\u00e1t \u0159e\u0161\u00ed vztahy v rodin\u011b, odpu\u0161t\u011bn\u00ed. Maj\u00ed pot\u0159ebu sm\u00ed\u0159it se s nemoc\u00ed, se sebou, s rodinou, s Bohem. \u010casto se boj\u00ed, \u017ee p\u0159i odch\u00e1zen\u00ed ze sv\u011bta budou sami. Strach ze samoty je \u010dasto v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e z bolesti. Mnohdy necht\u011bj\u00ed zat\u011b\u017eovat rodinu a tak jsou r\u00e1di, \u017ee se s t\u00edm mohou n\u011bkomu sv\u011b\u0159it. \u010casto pros\u00ed o modlitbu, sv\u00e1tosti.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mysl\u00edte si, \u017ee m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt slu\u017eba nemocni\u010dn\u00edho kaplana vyu\u017eiteln\u00e1 i pro nev\u011b\u0159\u00edc\u00ed \u2013 resp. p\u0159ich\u00e1zej\u00ed za V\u00e1mi v\u011b\u0159\u00edc\u00ed nebo i nev\u011b\u0159\u00edc\u00ed, kte\u0159\u00ed hledaj\u00ed kv\u016fli sv\u00e9mu aktu\u00e1ln\u00edmu zdravotn\u00edmu stavu odpov\u011bdi na z\u00e1sadn\u00ed \u017eivotn\u00ed ot\u00e1zky?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>LZ: J\u00e1 s\u00e1m se jako kn\u011bz setk\u00e1v\u00e1m sp\u00ed\u0161e s lidmi, kte\u0159\u00ed si \u017e\u00e1daj\u00ed p\u0159\u00edmo kn\u011bze, ale na\u0161e kaplanka Hanka m\u00e1 v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed zku\u0161enost i s lidmi r\u016fzn\u011b hledaj\u00edc\u00edmi. Ale i j\u00e1 jsem odpov\u00eddal na r\u016fzn\u00e9 ot\u00e1zky \u2013 n\u011bkdy jde jen o to otupit hroty odporu v\u016f\u010di n\u00e1bo\u017eenstv\u00ed, kter\u00fdm se n\u011bkdo c\u00edtil zran\u011bn, n\u011bkdy jde o slu\u017ebu naslouch\u00e1n\u00ed, proto\u017ee od duchovn\u00edho lid\u00e9 o\u010dek\u00e1vaj\u00ed jist\u00e9 pochopen\u00ed, i kdy\u017e nesd\u00edl\u00ed jeho v\u00edru. A v na\u0161em kulturn\u00edm prostoru si zkr\u00e1tka mnoho lid\u00ed spojuje n\u011bjak n\u00e1bo\u017eenstv\u00ed s dobrem, i kdy\u017e nemaj\u00ed v\u00edru, tak\u017ee u duchovn\u00edho hledaj\u00ed podporu pro sv\u00e1 n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e1 rozhodov\u00e1n\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p>AK: N\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00e9 pot\u0159eby maj\u00ed n\u011bkte\u0159\u00ed, ale duchovn\u00ed pot\u0159eby m\u00e1me v\u0161ichni bez rozd\u00edlu, ani\u017e bychom pat\u0159ili k n\u011bjak\u00e9 denominaci. N\u011bkdo se t\u011b\u017ece vyrovn\u00e1v\u00e1 se ztr\u00e1tou d\u016fstojnosti, kdy\u017e je odk\u00e1z\u00e1n se v\u0161\u00edm na ciz\u00ed pomoc. \u0158e\u0161\u00ed sv\u00e9 vztahy, sm\u00ed\u0159en\u00ed s nemoc\u00ed, se sebou, rodinou. V nemoci se \u010dasto \u010dlov\u011bku prom\u00edtne cel\u00fd \u017eivot, chce d\u00e1t sv\u00e9 v\u011bci do po\u0159\u00e1dku, jak ve sv\u011bdom\u00ed, tak i co se t\u00fd\u010de ot\u00e1zek majetku, d\u011bdictv\u00ed. N\u011bkdy se stane, \u017ee je to po prv\u00e9, co se setkal s kn\u011bzem, kaplankou. Jin\u00fd zas hled\u00e1 pomoc p\u0159es r\u016fzn\u00e9 l\u00e9\u010debn\u00e9 alternativy a podobn\u011b. \u010clov\u011bk v nemoci p\u0159ehodnot\u00ed sv\u016fj \u017eivot, postoje, smysl sv\u00e9ho \u017eivota. Oslovuj\u00ed mne lid\u00e9 v\u011b\u0159\u00edc\u00ed, hledaj\u00edc\u00ed, vzd\u00e1len\u00ed od Boha, sympatizuj\u00edc\u00ed s k\u0159es\u0165anstv\u00edm, je to r\u016fzn\u00e9. Jeden mlad\u00fd hoch, kter\u00fd byl hospitalizov\u00e1n, se proch\u00e1zel po budov\u011b a na dve\u0159\u00edch uvid\u011bl n\u00e1pis kaple. Ve\u0161el dovnit\u0159 a byl zv\u011bdav\u00fd, co se tam d\u011bje. Od t\u00e9 doby, i kdy\u017e u\u017e je d\u00e1vno propu\u0161t\u011bn do dom\u00e1c\u00edho prost\u0159ed\u00ed, kapli nav\u0161t\u011bvuje. Nikdy mu nikdo o Bohu nic nevypr\u00e1v\u011bl, pr\u00fd ve \u0161kole se u\u010dili o kostel\u00edch a kapl\u00edch. V kapli jsme se sezn\u00e1mili. Nebo pan\u00ed se stav\u00ed v kapli po n\u00e1v\u0161t\u011bv\u011b syna na ORIM, kter\u00fd je po hav\u00e1rce, a hlad\u00ed sochu svat\u00e9 Ane\u017eky a \u0159\u00edk\u00e1 mi: \u201eV\u00edte, ta \u017eensk\u00e1 mi moc pom\u00e1h\u00e1. J\u00e1 se v\u017edy tady uklidn\u00edm, i kdy\u017e nejsem v\u011b\u0159\u00edc\u00ed.\u201c Dal\u0161\u00ed pan\u00ed pe\u010duje doma u\u017e n\u011bkolik let o sv\u00e9ho syna v coma vigile a pravideln\u011b si chod\u00ed sem pro posilu a je r\u00e1da, kdy\u017e s n\u011bk\u00fdm m\u016f\u017ee sd\u00edlet svou bolest. Taky se k v\u00ed\u0159e dostala a\u017e skrze synovo utrpen\u00ed. Mlad\u00fd podnikatel si a\u017e d\u00edky autonehod\u011b uv\u011bdomil, jak se choval ke sv\u00e9 \u017een\u011b, d\u00edt\u011bti, pod\u0159\u00edzen\u00fdm, rodi\u010d\u016fm, p\u0159\u00edbuzn\u00fdm. B\u011bhem pobytu v nemocnici si uv\u011bdomil, \u017ee na prvn\u00edm m\u00edst\u011b v jeho \u017eivot\u011b byly pen\u00edze, kari\u00e9ra a chce to d\u00e1t do po\u0159\u00e1dku, zm\u011bnit. Je dob\u0159e, \u017ee spole\u010dnost p\u0159ich\u00e1z\u00ed na to, \u017ee je pot\u0159eba pe\u010dovat nejenom o t\u011blo, ale i o du\u0161i.<\/p>\n<p><strong>D\u011bkuji za rozhovor.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ve v\u0161ech are\u00e1lech FN Brno je vybudov\u00e1na nemocni\u010dn\u00ed kaple, kde se pravideln\u011b konaj\u00ed bohoslu\u017eby.<\/p>\n<p>V Bohunic\u00edch ve st\u0159edu v 16 h. a v ned\u011bli v 9,30 h.<\/p>\n<p>V D\u011btsk\u00e9 nemocnici ve st\u0159edu v 15,30 h.<\/p>\n<p>V porodnici v sobotu ve 14,30 h.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div class=\"mh-excerpt\"><p>Velikono\u010dn\u00ed rozhovor s nemocni\u010dn\u00edm kaplanem Fakultn\u00ed nemocnice Brno kn\u011bzem Leo Zerhauem a pastora\u010dn\u00ed asistentkou Annou Kostkovou o roli duchovn\u00ed p\u00e9\u010de v \u017eivot\u011b nemocn\u00fdch lid\u00ed.<\/p>\n<\/div>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":27965,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-27964","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-zpravy"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27964","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=27964"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27964\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/27965"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=27964"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=27964"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=27964"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}