{"id":35024,"date":"2020-10-01T10:59:30","date_gmt":"2020-10-01T08:59:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=35024"},"modified":"2020-10-01T11:03:02","modified_gmt":"2020-10-01T09:03:02","slug":"35024","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=35024","title":{"rendered":"Jak nau\u010dit znovu mluvit"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Lidi po \u00farazech, p\u0159i kter\u00fdch byl po\u0161kozen mozek nebo pacienty po mrtvic\u00edch u\u010d\u00ed znovu mluvit. Jak obt\u00ed\u017en\u00e9 a n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e9 to je a jak\u00e9 metody pou\u017e\u00edv\u00e1 modern\u00ed logopedie, o tom  v Radio\u017eurn\u00e1lu mluvili s klinickou logopedkou Ivanou \u0160emberovou. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>&#8222;Ztrat\u00edme-li bohatstv\u00ed, neztrat\u00edme nic. Ztrat\u00edme-li zdrav\u00ed, o hodn\u011b p\u0159ijdeme. Ztrat\u00edme-li schopnost mezilidsk\u00e9 komunikace, p\u0159ijdeme \u00fapln\u011b o v\u0161echno.&#8220; To \u0159\u00edk\u00e1te jako \u017eena, kter\u00e1 pracuje s lidmi, kte\u0159\u00ed \u010dasto \u00fapln\u011b o v\u0161echno p\u0159i\u0161li. M\u016f\u017eete to n\u011bjak p\u0159ibl\u00ed\u017eit.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, klinick\u00e1 logopedka&nbsp;<br>M\u00e1m bohatstv\u00ed, m\u00e1m milion a o n\u011bj p\u0159ijdu. Ano, n\u011bkdo si \u0159ekne, p\u0159i\u0161el jsem o hodn\u011b, ale po\u0159\u00e1d m\u00e1m zdrav\u00e9 ruce, m\u00e1m zdravou hlavu, m\u00e1m zdrav\u00fd mozek, tak\u017ee m\u016f\u017ee dostat n\u011bjak\u00fd podnikatelsk\u00fd n\u00e1pad a m\u016f\u017ee si znovu ten milion vyd\u011blat. Ztrat\u00edm-li zdrav\u00ed, p\u0159ijdu o hodn\u011b. T\u0159eba b\u011bh\u00e1m, r\u00e1d sportuji a stane se, \u017ee p\u0159ijdu o \u010d\u00e1st kon\u010detiny, ale po\u0159\u00e1d je\u0161t\u011b existuje sport handicapovan\u00fdch. M\u016f\u017eu na\u0161et\u0159it nebo dostat z n\u011bjak\u00e9 nadace speci\u00e1ln\u00ed prot\u00e9zu a m\u016f\u017eu se tomu sportu v\u011bnovat d\u00e1l. Ale ztrat\u00edm-li schopnost mezilidsk\u00e9 komunikace, p\u0159ijdu \u00fapln\u011b o v\u0161echno. Proto\u017ee jestli\u017ee se s n\u011bk\u00fdm nem\u016f\u017eu domluvit, nem\u016f\u017eu vyj\u00e1d\u0159it ani tak ne to co chci, ale d\u016fle\u017eit\u011bj\u0161\u00ed to co nechci, \u0159\u00edct dost, pak nejsem lidskou bytost\u00ed, proto\u017ee mezilidsk\u00e1 komunikace, v podstat\u011b verb\u00e1ln\u00ed \u0159e\u010d, n\u00e1s od zv\u00ed\u0159at odli\u0161uje.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Kdy\u017e to nap\u00ed\u0161u, pom\u016f\u017eu si? Nebo kdy\u017e jsem po mrtvici, tak jsem v takov\u00e9m stavu, \u017ee to nejsem schopn\u00e1 ani napsat?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1<br>Pokud ztrat\u00edte ten verb\u00e1ln\u00ed slovn\u00edk a vnit\u0159n\u00ed \u0159e\u010d, tak nejste schopn\u00e1 ps\u00e1t. To \u010dasto p\u0159\u00edbuzn\u00ed p\u0159inesou do nemocnice se\u0161it a tu\u017eku a \u0159\u00edkaj\u00ed, &#8222;Tak kdy\u017e to nem\u016f\u017ee \u0159\u00edct, a\u0165 to nap\u00ed\u0161e.&#8220; Ale vy nem\u00e1te to slovo uvnit\u0159. Vy ho nem\u016f\u017eete napsat, proto\u017ee ho ztrat\u00edte.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Proto\u017ee ho nem\u016f\u017eu naj\u00edt?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Ano.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>To je p\u011bkn\u00e1 detektivka ta va\u0161e pr\u00e1ce.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1,<br>Je.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Je to v\u00edc pr\u00e1ce detektiva, v\u00edc pr\u00e1ce logopeda nebo v\u00edc pr\u00e1ce psychologa?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>V\u0161echno dohromady.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Vy jste prvn\u00ed a mo\u017en\u00e1 asi i posledn\u00ed, kdo tomu apatikovi opravdu d\u016frazn\u011b naslouch\u00e1. Jak moc v tom hraje roli rodina a p\u0159\u00edbuzn\u00ed?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Obrovskou. A tady bych cht\u011bla zd\u016fraznit, \u017ee my jako klini\u010dt\u00ed logopedov\u00e9 nepracujeme jenom s t\u00edm \u010dlov\u011bkem, ale i s celou jeho rodinou. Mus\u00edme nau\u010dit komunikovat i rodinu s pacientem. Jsme takov\u00ed tlumo\u010dn\u00edci. Mus\u00edme b\u00fdt po\u0159\u00e1d nastaven\u00ed, to je ta detektivka, co asi ten \u010dlov\u011bk cht\u011bl \u0159\u00edct. Dop\u00eddit se k tomu, co chce vyj\u00e1d\u0159it. A n\u011bkdy to mus\u00edme i tlumo\u010dit rodin\u011b.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>No m\u011b by sp\u00ed\u0161 zaj\u00edmalo, jak se k tomu dop\u00eddite, kdy\u017e vlastn\u011b&#8230; My se dostaneme i ke slo\u017eit\u00fdm operac\u00edm, u kter\u00fdch asistujete a je v\u00e1s tam profesn\u011b zapot\u0159eb\u00ed a tam toho pacienta p\u0159edt\u00edm zn\u00e1te, kdy\u017e je\u0161t\u011b mluvil. Ale najednou p\u0159ijde n\u011bkdo po mrtvici, koho jste v \u017eivot\u011b nevid\u011bli, jak se \u010dlov\u011bk vlastn\u011b dop\u00e1tr\u00e1v\u00e1 k tomu slovn\u00edku, k tomu co chce \u0159\u00edct? Pou\u017e\u00edv\u00e1te obr\u00e1zky? Pou\u017e\u00edv\u00e1te p\u0159\u00edbuzn\u00e9? Jak to funguje?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, &nbsp;<br>Nejd\u0159\u00edv mus\u00edm zjistit lokalizaci a l\u00e9zi a podle magnetick\u00e9 rezonance a m\u00e9ho vy\u0161et\u0159en\u00ed speci\u00e1ln\u00edho ur\u010dit, o jak\u00fd typ poruchy se jedn\u00e1. To u\u017e je takov\u00fd prvn\u00ed n\u00e1vod. Jestli m\u00e1 pacient v\u00edc poruchu porozum\u011bn\u00ed nebo v\u00edc poruchu motorick\u00e9 funkce \u0159e\u010di, \u017ee si nem\u016f\u017ee vzpomenout na slovo, anebo to slovo v\u00ed a nem\u016f\u017ee ho \u0159\u00edct. Tak to je pro m\u011b prvn\u00ed vod\u00edtko.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Jak se to zji\u0161\u0165uje?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Takov\u00fdm speci\u00e1ln\u00edm vy\u0161et\u0159en\u00edm, kter\u00fd se jmenuje MAST, neboli Mississippsk\u00fd afaziologick\u00fd screeningov\u00fd test.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Ten pacient vlastn\u011b asi nem\u016f\u017ee mnoho absolvovat, ne?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Nem\u016f\u017ee, je to na n\u00e1s. V podstat\u011b zkr\u00e1cen\u011b se hovo\u0159\u00ed, jestli ten pacient mluv\u00ed, jakou m\u00e1 fluenci. Pro zaj\u00edmavost, norma pro \u010desk\u00fd jazyk je 120 slov za minutu a fluentn\u00ed, neboli plynulou \u0159e\u010d pova\u017eujeme od 50 slov za minutu. Potom, jestli dok\u00e1\u017ee po m\u011b zopakovat, jestli dok\u00e1\u017ee s\u00e1m pojmenovat podle p\u0159edm\u011btu, podle obr\u00e1zku. Jestli dok\u00e1\u017ee ps\u00e1t. Jestli dok\u00e1\u017ee ps\u00e1t na dikt\u00e1t a jestli v\u00ed obsah, rozum\u00ed napsan\u00e9mu a rozum\u00ed sly\u0161en\u00e9mu. Tak\u017ee takov\u00e9 testov\u00e9 ot\u00e1zky, t\u0159eba: je d\u0159\u00edve sn\u00eddan\u011b a potom ob\u011bd nebo nejd\u0159\u00edv si obl\u00e9k\u00e1m kab\u00e1t a potom klobouk a pak ko\u0161ili. Tak na tom v\u0161echno jakoby toho pacienta nachyt\u00e1me. To jsou testov\u00e9 ot\u00e1zky a vyhodnot\u00edme ten test.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Co se d\u011bje potom? Kdy\u017e, dejme tomu, ten pacient m\u00e1 n\u011bjak\u00e9 leh\u010d\u00ed&nbsp;posti\u017een\u00ed, jak dlouho trv\u00e1  va\u0161e spolupr\u00e1ce t\u0159eba po t\u00e9 mozkov\u00e9 mrtvici, dokud nedojde k n\u011bjak\u00e9mu n\u00e1vratu a co potom ten \u010dlov\u011bk m\u016f\u017ee se svoj\u00ed rodinou d\u011blat s\u00e1m?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>V\u017edycky je to v \u0159\u00e1du m\u011bs\u00edc\u016f a\u017e n\u011bkolik let. M\u00e1m i pacienta t\u0159eba 7, 10 let.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>To je pom\u011brn\u011b nemilosrdn\u011b dlouh\u00e1 doba. Jak to psychicky ti lid\u00e9 zvl\u00e1daj\u00ed?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>T\u011b\u017eko. T\u011b\u017eko, proto je nutn\u00e1 i pr\u00e1ce s rodinou, proto\u017ee \u017e\u00edt vedle n\u011bkoho, kdo b\u011b\u017en\u011b mluvil, m\u011bl pln\u011b rozvinutou komunika\u010dn\u00ed schopnost, \u010detl, psal, pov\u00eddal si se mnou a najednou v podstat\u011b ze dne na minutu tuto schopnost ztrat\u00ed. T\u0159eba dob\u0159e komunikuje, t\u0159eba rozum\u00ed a je schopn\u00fd \u0159\u00edkat ano\/ne, ale m\u00e1me takovou poruchu \u0159e\u010di, druh af\u00e1zie, kter\u00e1 se jmenuje Wernickeova af\u00e1zie. Ti lidi d\u0159\u00edve kon\u010dili ne\u017e byly zobrazovac\u00ed metody, magnetick\u00e1 rezonance a CT vy\u0161et\u0159en\u00ed, v psychiatrick\u00fdch l\u00e9\u010debn\u00e1ch, proto\u017ee ty lidi maj\u00ed vnit\u0159n\u00ed \u0159e\u010d zachovanou, ale ven vych\u00e1z\u00ed bu\u010f v t\u011b\u017e\u0161\u00edm p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b naprost\u00fd nesmysl, to nev\u00edte, jestli je to \u010d\u00edn\u0161tina, japon\u0161tina, \u010de\u0161tina, v\u0161echno dohromady, anebo prob\u00edh\u00e1 hovor &#8211; vy o koze a j\u00e1 o voze. Jako p\u0159\u00edklad opravdu z m\u00e9 praxe p\u00e1n, kter\u00fd p\u0159i\u0161el a j\u00e1 jsem \u0159\u00edkala, tam na chodb\u011b va\u0161e dcera voz\u00ed miminko. A on, jo, jo. &#8211; No a kolik mu je? A p\u00e1n mi na to odpov\u011bd\u011bl 8. J\u00e1 \u0159\u00edk\u00e1m, no po\u010dkejte t\u00fddn\u016f? J\u00e1 jsem matka, j\u00e1 jsem to miminko vid\u011bla. To mu nen\u00ed. A 8 let taky ne. A p\u00e1n, 8. &#8211; Ale jd\u011bte. 8 mu nen\u00ed. A p\u00e1n na m\u011b, 8 a takhle velk\u00fd kom\u00e1r to byl.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Je t\u011b\u017ek\u00e9 vysv\u011btlit p\u0159\u00edbuzn\u00fdm, \u017ee ten \u010dlov\u011bk se t\u0159eba uvnit\u0159 v\u016fbec nezm\u011bnil, \u017ee v\u00e1s miluje \u00fapln\u011b stejn\u011b jako v\u00e1s m\u011bl r\u00e1d p\u0159edt\u00edm a p\u0159idala se k tomu velk\u00e1 tr\u00fdze\u0148.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Je. Mo\u017en\u00e1 na za\u010d\u00e1tku je\u0161t\u011b tak ne, ale proto\u017ee ty pokroky n\u011bkdy opravdu jsou po milimetrov\u00fdch kr\u016f\u010dc\u00edch a trv\u00e1 to dlouho, tak tam nad\u011bje a v\u00edra u p\u0159\u00edbuzn\u00fdch kles\u00e1.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>\u010cetla jsem kn\u00ed\u017eku b\u00fdval\u00e9ho \u0161\u00e9fredaktora Elle, mysl\u00edm, \u017ee Jean nebo Claud Dominique Bauby, kniha se jmenuje Skafandr a mot\u00fdl. Pojedn\u00e1v\u00e1 o locked in syndromu. M\u016f\u017eete vysv\u011btlit, co to je?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Ano, je to l\u00e9ze mozkov\u00e9ho kmene, kdy \u010dlov\u011bk nem\u016f\u017ee h\u00fdbat ni\u010d\u00edm jin\u00fdm ne\u017e o\u010dn\u00edmi v\u00ed\u010dky. A vnit\u0159n\u00ed \u0159e\u010d je zachovan\u00e1 a my\u0161len\u00ed v\u016fbec nen\u00ed poru\u0161eno.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Mn\u011b p\u0159ipad\u00e1 \u00fapln\u011b fascinuj\u00edc\u00ed, \u017ee ten \u010dlov\u011bk dok\u00e1zal vlastn\u011b sepsat kn\u00ed\u017eku. Je to jedno z vod\u00edtek, kter\u00e9 m\u016f\u017eete pou\u017e\u00edt t\u0159eba p\u0159i sv\u00e9 pr\u00e1ci, kdy\u017e n\u011bkomu vysv\u011btlujete, jak vypad\u00e1 vnit\u0159n\u00ed sv\u011bt toho \u010dlov\u011bka, kter\u00fd takhle \u017eije?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Ur\u010dit\u011b. A m\u011b sp\u00ed\u0161 p\u0159ijde fascinuj\u00edc\u00ed, \u017ee ta logopedka tam na to p\u0159i\u0161la, jak mu umo\u017enit komunikovat. To je hodn\u011b o na\u0161\u00ed pr\u00e1ci. Po\u0159\u00e1d vym\u00fd\u0161let a p\u0159em\u00fd\u0161let, jak tomu \u010dlov\u011bku pomoct. Neexistuje 1 n\u00e1vod, kter\u00fd je na v\u0161echny.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Tr\u00e1p\u00edte se, kdy\u017e na to nem\u016f\u017eete p\u0159ij\u00edt?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Tr\u00e1p\u00edm, bohu\u017eel tr\u00e1p\u00edm.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br> Jak moc je lidsk\u00fd mozek nevypo\u010ditateln\u00fd ve smyslu, \u017ee 2 lid\u00e9 mohou m\u00edt zhruba stejn\u00e9&nbsp;posti\u017een\u00ed, ale 1 prost\u011b po roce, po roce a p\u016fl za\u010dne norm\u00e1ln\u011b mluvit a norm\u00e1ln\u011b komunikovat a druh\u00fd to ned\u00e1.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>V prvn\u00ed \u0159ad\u011b je to ot\u00e1zka toho, jak \u010dlov\u011bk byl premorbidn\u011b, jak\u00fd m\u011bl du\u0161evn\u011b bohat\u00fd \u017eivot, jestli hodn\u011b \u010detl, r\u00e1d komunikoval, veselil se v hospod\u011b, vypr\u00e1v\u011bl vtipy, byl bavi\u010d, jak m\u011bl d\u016fle\u017eitou komunikaci, jak ta komunikace hr\u00e1la v jeho \u017eivot\u011b velkou roli. Tak\u00e9 v\u011bk. Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b u mlad\u0161\u00edch lid\u00ed je ten mozek je\u0161t\u011b takov\u00fd pru\u017en\u011bj\u0161\u00ed a v\u00edc ochotn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed se n\u011bjak zm\u011bnit. Potom z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed tak\u00e9 na rodin\u011b a na okol\u00ed.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Tak\u017ee je v tom nesm\u00edte nechat?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Ne.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Jak se vlastn\u011b m\u00e1 \u010dlov\u011bk chovat k pacient\u016fm s af\u00e1zi\u00ed, aby neud\u011blal n\u011bco \u0161patn\u011b, aby jim neubl\u00ed\u017eil je\u0161t\u011b v\u00edce, ne\u017e jak to maj\u00ed t\u011b\u017ek\u00e9.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>My to naz\u00fdv\u00e1me obecn\u011b naru\u0161en\u00e1 komunika\u010dn\u00ed schopnost. A je to velmi, velmi t\u011b\u017ek\u00e9. Vzpome\u0148te si t\u0159eba na p\u0159\u00edhody z dovolen\u00fdch, kdy\u017e si n\u011bkdo objedn\u00e1v\u00e1 a serv\u00edrka mu nerozum\u00ed a te\u010f po\u0159\u00e1d zvy\u0161uje hlas &#8211; &#8222;No kafe. Kafe. Sly\u0161\u00ed\u0161? Kafe. Rozum\u00ed\u0161?&#8220; M\u00e1me tendenci, kdy\u017e n\u00e1m n\u011bkdo nerozum\u00ed&#8230;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mluvit nahlas.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Mluvit nahlas a ten hlas zvy\u0161ovat a tla\u010dit.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Rozhodn\u011b nezvy\u0161ovat hlas, proto\u017ee ten \u010dlov\u011bk mi velmi dob\u0159e rozum\u00ed, a tak d\u00e1le.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, &nbsp;<br>Ano. Nejsou hlu\u0161\u00ed.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Jak je to s dotyky.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1,<br>Dotek je velmi d\u016fle\u017eit\u00fd, proto\u017ee dotek n\u00e1s upozor\u0148uje, n\u011bco se d\u011bje a obrac\u00ed pozornost pr\u00e1v\u011b na toho komunikuj\u00edc\u00edho. Tak\u017ee dot\u00fdkat se hodn\u011b. Kdy\u017e se v\u00e1s n\u011bkdo dotkne, tak se c\u00edt\u00edte b\u00fdt zapojen\u00e1 do komunika\u010dn\u00edho procesu, i kdy\u017e nemluv\u00edte.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>\u0158ekn\u011bte mi je\u0161t\u011b p\u00e1r pravidel, a\u0165 neud\u011bl\u00e1m n\u011bco \u0161patn\u011b.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Kdy\u017e byste s takov\u00fdm \u010dlov\u011bkem mluvila, tak ur\u010dit\u011b byste m\u011bla db\u00e1t, aby v\u00e1m dob\u0159e vid\u011bl do obli\u010deje. \u0158e\u010d nen\u00ed jenom pr\u00e1ce mluvidel a tvo\u0159en\u00ed hl\u00e1sek a hlasu, \u0159e\u010d je i pohled o\u010d\u00ed, mimika i ten jas, kter\u00fd m\u00e1te v o\u010d\u00edch, jestli se na m\u011b d\u00edv\u00e1te se z\u00e1jmem. A samoz\u0159ejm\u011b t\u0159eba \u00fapln\u011b nerozum\u00edm co \u0159\u00edk\u00e1te, ale podle toho, jak se na m\u011b tv\u00e1\u0159\u00edte, m\u016f\u017eu se domyslet, co po mn\u011b chcete. Dal\u0161\u00ed pravidlo &#8211; t\u0159eba pou\u017e\u00edvat velmi kr\u00e1tk\u00e9 v\u011bty s jasn\u00fdm a jednozna\u010dn\u00fdm v\u00fdrazem. Pro takov\u00e9ho \u010dlov\u011bka s naru\u0161enou komunika\u010dn\u00ed schopnost\u00ed je nejhor\u0161\u00ed \u0159\u00edct, &#8222;Hele, ned\u00e1\u0161 si kafe, anebo v\u00ed\u0161 co, ne, d\u00e1me si \u010daj. Anebo te\u010f jsem na to p\u0159i\u0161el, d\u00e1me si kakao.&#8220; Tak\u017ee ne\u017e ten \u010dlov\u011bk vymysl\u00ed, \u017ee \u010daj je ta hn\u011bd\u00e1 tekutina s cukrem, s citronem, tak vy u\u017e tam m\u00e1te kakao a k\u00e1vu a on je naprosto zmaten\u00fd a nerozum\u00ed ni\u010demu. \u010cili, &#8222;D\u00e1\u0161 si k\u00e1vu?&#8220; Po\u010dkat &#8211; ano\/ne.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>\u0158ekn\u011bte mi, kdo je, proto\u017ee j\u00e1 jsem \u010detla n\u011bjak\u00fd v\u00e1\u0161 star\u0161\u00ed \u010dl\u00e1nek a ten se jmenoval Dal\u0161\u00ed Dohn\u00e1lek J\u00e1n. \u0158ekn\u011bte mi n\u011bco o tom, kdo je Dohn\u00e1lek Jan?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Jan Dohn\u00e1lek, on se ur\u010dit\u011b neuraz\u00ed, byl m\u00fdm pacientem. J\u00e1 jsem osoba, kter\u00e1 je velmi povzbuzuj\u00edc\u00ed a m\u00e1m r\u00e1da sport a pro m\u011b je v\u017edycky nejlep\u0161\u00ed, kdy\u017e najdu n\u011bkoho, kdo se mnou n\u011bjak\u00e9 m\u00e9 z\u00e1liby sd\u00edl\u00ed. Jan Dohn\u00e1lek byl velmi, velmi ne\u0161\u0165astn\u00fd, mluvil stra\u0161n\u011b nahlas a k\u0159i\u010del. Rodina ho za to v\u017edycky, &#8222;Ticho! Sousedi budou&#8230;&#8220;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>A m\u011bl po n\u011bjak\u00e9 mozkov\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edhod\u011b.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Ano, ano, ano, m\u011bl po mozkov\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edhod\u011b. Jednou si takhle st\u011b\u017eoval, \u017ee by hrozn\u011b r\u00e1d ly\u017eoval a \u017ee rodina ho od toho odrazuje. A j\u00e1 jsem ho tak povzbudila, \u017ee on opravdu na ty ly\u017ee \u0161el a sjel asi 4 m. A to byl velk\u00fd zvrat, velk\u00fd zvrat opravdu v terapii. P\u0159ekonali jsme i to, \u017ee mluv\u00ed nahlas jenom t\u00edm, \u017ee je lep\u0161\u00ed, kdy\u017e mluv\u00ed nahlas, proto\u017ee ubrat jde v\u017edycky, ale naopak je to samoz\u0159ejm\u011b daleko hor\u0161\u00ed. Byla v\u00fdborn\u00e1 spolupr\u00e1ce i s rodinou. A nakonec to do\u0161lo tak daleko, \u017ee mi pod\u011bkoval, \u017ee j\u00e1 jsem byla jedin\u00fd, kdo mu v\u011b\u0159il, \u017ee to dok\u00e1\u017ee, \u017ee v\u0161ichni ho od toho ly\u017eov\u00e1n\u00ed zrazovali. A vy\u00fastilo to ve spolupr\u00e1ce ve spole\u010dnosti Iktus.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>A jak je na tom te\u010f? Mluv\u00ed, ly\u017euje?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>V\u00fdborn\u011b.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>D\u011bl\u00e1 v\u0161echno?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>D\u011bl\u00e1 v\u0161echno. Plave, a dokonce organizuje rekondi\u010dn\u00ed pobyty pro dal\u0161\u00ed takto&nbsp;posti\u017een\u00e9&nbsp;lidi a dod\u00e1v\u00e1 jim tu v\u00edru a tu odvahu, \u017ee v\u0161echno m\u016f\u017eou a \u017ee rozhodnut\u00ed je daleko lep\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e odhodl\u00e1n\u00ed.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>A je?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>A je samoz\u0159ejm\u011b.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Ivana \u0160emberov\u00e1 je klinick\u00e1 logopedka, kter\u00e1 se mi p\u0159edstavila jako pan\u00ed Colombov\u00e1 neurochirurg\u016f a j\u00e1 jsem se tomu velmi sm\u00e1la, ne\u017e jsem to pochopila. Ale vysv\u011btlete to, pros\u00edm.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, &nbsp;<br>J\u00e1 jsem klinick\u00fd logoped, kter\u00fd v \u00dast\u0159edn\u00ed vojensk\u00e9 nemocnici je p\u0159\u00edtomen p\u0159i operac\u00edch v takzvan\u00e9m awake re\u017eimu. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee pacient u t\u00e9 operace nesp\u00ed, je jenom analgeticky sledov\u00e1n.  Jednak ho p\u0159ipravuju na to operaci. Jednak b\u011bhem t\u00e9 operace sleduji, monitoruji velmi bedliv\u011b jeho fatick\u00e9, to znamen\u00e1 komunika\u010dn\u00ed funkce a kognitivn\u00ed funkce, to jsou takov\u00e9 ty funkce orientace m\u00edstem, \u010dasem, osobou, daty, ud\u00e1lostmi a samoz\u0159ejm\u011b se o n\u011bj star\u00e1m i po t\u00e9 operaci.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Vy jste na t\u00e9 operaci p\u0159\u00edtomna ve chv\u00edli, kdyby se ten z\u00e1krok t\u00fdkal bl\u00edzkosti \u0159e\u010dov\u00e9ho centra.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Ano.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Kolik \u010dasu pot\u0159ebujete s t\u00edm pacientem str\u00e1vit a co vlastn\u011b v\u0161echno pot\u0159ebujete od n\u011bj v\u011bd\u011bt a zn\u00e1t?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, &nbsp;<br>J\u00e1 se s pacientem p\u0159ed operac\u00ed vid\u00edm minim\u00e1ln\u011b 2\u00d7. Poprv\u00e9 je to v takov\u00e9m velmi p\u0159\u00e1telsk\u00e9m duchu. J\u00e1 si sb\u00edr\u00e1m data pro tu operaci. Proto\u017ee j\u00e1 se nem\u016f\u017eu s t\u00edm pacientem na s\u00e1le bavit jen tak o n\u011b\u010dem. To m\u011b v\u017edycky mrz\u00ed, kdy\u017e se dozv\u00edm, &#8222;Ty se m\u00e1\u0161. Ty si tam pov\u00edd\u00e1\u0161 a oni mu mezi t\u00edm vezmou kus mozku a jsi slavn\u00e1,&#8220; a ono to tak v\u016fbec nen\u00ed. Kolikr\u00e1t mi tam te\u010de i pot strachy po z\u00e1dech.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>\u010ceho se boj\u00edte?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Velmi nap\u011bt\u00ed a toho hl\u00edd\u00e1n\u00ed a vte\u0159inov\u00e9 rozhodnut\u00ed, jestli zakol\u00eds\u00e1n\u00ed \u0159e\u010di je v d\u016fsledku toho, \u017ee pacient je unaven\u00fd nebo n\u011bco odvede jeho pozornost, n\u011bjak\u00fd zvukov\u00fd efekt, sv\u011bteln\u00fd efekt nebo i \u010dichov\u00fd vjem na s\u00e1le anebo jestli se opravdu n\u011bco d\u011bje.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Dob\u0159e. Tak\u017ee kdy\u017e budu j\u00e1 v\u00e1\u0161 pacient a budeme si spolu pov\u00eddat, co bude d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9, abyste navn\u00edmala v moj\u00ed \u0159e\u010di a v\u016fbec jako v moj\u00ed osobnosti?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1,&nbsp;<br>Va\u0161i melodii, va\u0161i dikci. Jestli pou\u017e\u00edv\u00e1te dlouh\u00e9 v\u011bty a hodn\u011b slov anebo jestli jste typ \u010dlov\u011bka, kter\u00fd p\u0159ed Berounem \u0159ekne Beroun. Ano. A d\u00e1le mus\u00edm od v\u00e1s z\u00edskat takov\u00e9 informace, kter\u00e9 na tom s\u00e1le budu vid\u011bt jenom vy a j\u00e1, na kter\u00e9 bude ta jednozna\u010dn\u00e1 odpov\u011b\u010f. Tak\u017ee za\u010d\u00edn\u00e1m v\u011bt\u0161inou rodinou, rodinn\u00fdmi vztahy, z\u00e1jmy, z\u00e1libami. Takov\u00e9 jednoduch\u00e9 ot\u00e1zky, jakou barvu m\u00e1 auto va\u0161eho man\u017eela, t\u0159eba.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>\u010cernou.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>\u010cernou. No a te\u010f si p\u0159edstavte, \u017ee takhle na s\u00e1le byl pan autolak\u00fdrn\u00edk a j\u00e1 jsem se dozv\u011bd\u011bla, \u017ee barva auta man\u017eelky je VXY 289543.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Tak\u017ee \u010d\u00edslo motoru.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1,<br>Pin k\u00f3d.&nbsp;To jsem se musela nau\u010dit. Pt\u00e1m se, kam t\u0159eba cestuj\u00ed, co \u010dtou, jak\u00e9 maj\u00ed r\u00e1di v\u00edno, alkohol, pit\u00ed, jakou kuchyni, jakou poslouchaj\u00ed muziku.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Tak\u017ee vy p\u0159ed ka\u017edou operac\u00ed \u0161prt\u00e1te.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>\u0160prt\u00e1m, ud\u011bl\u00e1m si pozn\u00e1mky. Potom samoz\u0159ejm\u011b pou\u017e\u00edv\u00e1m Google, abych mohla t\u0159eba \u0159\u00edct, &#8222;No, jak jedete na tu chalupu, tak to berete zadem okolo Sobotky.&#8220; A pacient, kdy\u017e je v po\u0159\u00e1dku, \u0159ekne &#8211; Ne, ne, ne, \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e1 Sobotka. To jste \u00fapln\u011b na druh\u00e9 stran\u011b. To j\u00e1 jezd\u00edm t\u00e1mhle k Vlachovo B\u0159ez\u00ed t\u0159eba, te\u010f jsem si to vymyslela. To si v\u0161ecko zpracuju. Potom na tom s\u00e1le p\u0159ich\u00e1z\u00edm ve chv\u00edli&#8230; No a samoz\u0159ejm\u011b se je\u0161t\u011b s pacientem v\u00edd\u00e1m den p\u0159ed operac\u00ed. Tam se domluv\u00edme, jak\u00e9 bude m\u00edt n\u00e1u\u0161nice. Tak\u017ee zrovna te\u010f ty co m\u00e1m na sob\u011b.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1<br>Ty jsem si schv\u00e1ln\u011b vzala kv\u016fli v\u00e1m. To jsou m\u00e9 opera\u010dn\u00ed n\u00e1u\u0161nice, abych byla pro pacienta velmi dob\u0159e identifikovateln\u00e1. Hned na prvn\u00ed dobrou, aby v\u011bd\u011bl, \u017ee jsem to j\u00e1.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>J\u00e1 si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee te\u010f v t\u00e9 dob\u011b rou\u0161kov\u00e9, to ka\u017ed\u00fd pochop\u00ed.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Ano. P\u0159esn\u011b tak. P\u0159esn\u011b tak. Nejenom, \u017ee s pacientem tam mluv\u00edm, ale i ta p\u0159\u00edprava na tu operaci je v tom, \u017ee ho uji\u0161\u0165uju, \u017ee se nic nestane, \u017ee j\u00e1 v\u0161echno uhl\u00edd\u00e1m, \u017ee mi m\u016f\u017ee d\u016fv\u011b\u0159ovat a p\u0159iprav\u00edme na to, \u017ee se ho budu docela dost dot\u00fdkat. P\u0159edstavte si, \u017ee m\u00e1te hlavu ve sv\u011br\u00e1ku m\u00e1m a m\u00e1te .&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>A m\u00e1m.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1,<br>A m\u00e1te. M\u00e1te p\u0159iv\u00e1zan\u00e1 p\u0159edlokt\u00ed, m\u00e1te volnou jenom pravou ruku od lokte. J\u00e1 pacienty dr\u017e\u00edm za ruku. Jednak samoz\u0159ejm\u011b je to psychick\u00e1 podpora a jednak j\u00e1 si ohmat\u00e1v\u00e1m svalov\u00fd tonus. Pom\u00e1h\u00e1 mi to v tom, jestli pacient us\u00edn\u00e1, proto\u017ee ten tonus samoz\u0159ejm\u011b kles\u00e1 anebo jestli se n\u011bco d\u011bje. Ob\u010das neurochirurg taky pot\u0159ebuje zkontrolovat motoriku kon\u010detiny, tak\u017ee v\u017edycky \u0159\u00edk\u00e1, &#8222;Zkontroluj mi motoriku.&#8220; A my hrajeme hru, kolikr\u00e1t jsem v\u00e1s zm\u00e1\u010dkla nebo jak\u00fdm prstem v\u00e1m te\u010fka h\u00fdbu.&nbsp;A podobn\u011b. Potom pacienty drbu. Le\u017e\u00edte 2 &#8211; 2,5 hodiny a nem\u016f\u017eete se po\u0161imrat nikde.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Je toho hodn\u011b, co m\u00e1 na starosti dne\u0161n\u00ed host &#8211; klinick\u00e1 logopedka Ivana \u0160emberov\u00e1. Bav\u00edme se o tom, co se vlastn\u011b d\u011bje p\u0159i operac\u00edch mozku v awake re\u017eimu. To znamen\u00e1 v re\u017eimu, kdy pacient je vzh\u016fru. Jak dlouho tam takhle s t\u00edm pacientem zhruba jste?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Byly doby, kdy jsem tam byla 4 a\u017e 4,5 hodiny a te\u010f jsme po domluv\u011b zm\u011bnili strategii, proto\u017ee j\u00e1 opravdu validn\u011b jsem schopn\u00e1 pozornost pacienta udr\u017eet do dvou a p\u016fl hodin, tak\u017ee je lep\u0161\u00ed, kdy\u017e je to n\u011bjak\u00fd v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed n\u00e1dor, rad\u011bji tu operaci ud\u011blat 2\u00d7. Proto\u017ee pacient potom u\u017e je unaven\u00fd a za\u010dne us\u00ednat a za\u010dne to my\u0161len\u00ed jakoby odch\u00e1zet. Mozek se br\u00e1n\u00ed. U\u017e je toho na n\u011bj moc a chce sp\u00e1t a chce j\u00edt pry\u010d.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee se d\u011bl\u00e1 ta operace nadvakr\u00e1t? 1 den se operuje a pak za t\u00fdden dal\u0161\u00ed \u010d\u00e1st operace?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Za \u010dtrn\u00e1ct dn\u00ed m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt. Stalo se, ano.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Kdy operaci zastav\u00edte nebo v jakou chv\u00edli jste to vy, kdo \u0159ekne tomu operat\u00e9rovi &#8222;Kon\u010d\u00edme.&#8220;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Kdy\u017e se n\u011bco d\u011bje. Kdy\u017e v\u00edm, \u017ee ta odpov\u011b\u010f nen\u00ed spr\u00e1vn\u00e1 nebo pacient za\u010dne d\u011blat takov\u00e9 ty, j\u00e1 tomu \u0159\u00edk\u00e1m slovn\u00ed parazity a je vid\u011bt, \u017ee t\u011b\u017ece p\u0159em\u00fd\u0161l\u00ed. J\u00e1 si v\u017edycky p\u0159edstavuju, \u017ee tam b\u011bh\u00e1 pidimu\u017e\u00edk a otev\u00edr\u00e1 \u0161upl\u00edky a hled\u00e1 to slov\u00ed\u010dko. A kdy\u017e v\u00edm, \u017ee ten pidimu\u017e\u00edk to slovo nem\u016f\u017ee naj\u00edt, tak je n\u011bco \u0161patn\u011b.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Tak\u017ee zase je to jako v p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b mozkov\u00e9 mrtvice. Ten pacient nemus\u00ed zmlknout, nemus\u00ed \u0159\u00edkat nesmysly, ale v\u00e1m sta\u010d\u00ed jenom vid\u011bt, \u017ee to slovo hled\u00e1 a u\u017e by ten operat\u00e9r vlastn\u011b nem\u011bl v t\u00e9 operaci pokra\u010dovat.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1,&nbsp;<br>Ano.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Jak sn\u00e1\u0161\u00edte, kdy\u017e se to nevede? Ne t\u0159eba v\u00e1m, ale kdy\u017e v\u00edte, \u017ee ta operace bude na 2\u00d7 a \u017ee ta druh\u00e1 \u010d\u00e1st bude komplikovan\u00e1, proto\u017ee mus\u00edte v\u011bd\u011bt, kdy\u017e tam ty komplikace jsou.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Ony se n\u011bkdy samoz\u0159ejm\u011b stanou i ur\u010dit\u00e9 komplikace na tom s\u00e1le. Je mi z toho v\u017edycky t\u011b\u017eko. J\u00e1 ka\u017edou tu operaci, mus\u00edm \u0159\u00edct, pro\u017e\u00edv\u00e1m. Pro\u017e\u00edv\u00e1m ta odpov\u011bdnost a opravdu nap\u011bt\u00ed a vysok\u00e1 pozornost, tak\u017ee v\u011bt\u0161inou po t\u00e9 operaci d\u011bl\u00e1m n\u011bjak\u00fd sport, abych si tro\u0161ku odpo\u010dinula a ulevila si. Ulevila sv\u00e9 hlav\u011b. A samoz\u0159ejm\u011b o to v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed je potom pr\u00e1ce nejenom s t\u00edm pacientem, ale s tou rodinou.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>V\u00edte, j\u00e1 taky d\u011bl\u00e1m sport. Ten sport m\u00e1 jednu kr\u00e1snou vlastnost, \u017ee pakli\u017ee se nemus\u00edte soust\u0159edit, t\u0159eba p\u0159i lezen\u00ed, ale jenom n\u011bkam b\u011b\u017e\u00edte nebo jedete na kole, tak si stejn\u011b toho pacienta mus\u00edte n\u00e9st s sebou, ne?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Bohu\u017eel. Moment\u00e1ln\u011b posledn\u00ed dobou \/nesrozumiteln\u00e9\/ i metoda jeden\u00e1ct\u00e9ho kilometru. P\u0159edstavte si to.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Co to je metoda jeden\u00e1ct\u00e9ho kilometru?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Mlad\u00fd mu\u017e, u kter\u00e9ho jsem nev\u011bd\u011bla, jak mu zpomalit \u0159e\u010d a donutit ho, aby lep\u0161\u00ed artikuloval a na jeden\u00e1ct\u00e9m kilometru m\u011b to napadlo, \u017ee si bude takhle nen\u00e1padn\u011b \u0165ukat prstem do dlan\u011b a t\u00edm si hezky tu \u0159e\u010d zpomal\u00ed.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Byli jsme na s\u00e1le \u00dast\u0159edn\u00ed vojensk\u00e9 nemocnice u obt\u00ed\u017en\u00fdch neurochirurgick\u00fdch operac\u00ed. To \u010d\u00edslo asi za posledn\u00ed dobu hodn\u011b vzrostlo, vi\u010fte?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Ano. Ze za\u010d\u00e1tku se d\u011blali t\u0159eba 2-3 maxim\u00e1ln\u011b do roka. Letos u\u017e to nebo posledn\u00ed dobou to \u010d\u00edslo vzrostlo na 10 a\u017e 15. Za prv\u00e9 ten pacient je stra\u0161n\u011b state\u010dn\u00fd. Ne ka\u017ed\u00fd je vhodn\u00fd pro tento typ operace. A uv\u011bdomme si, \u017ee ten \u010dlov\u011bk je opravdu neuv\u011b\u0159iteln\u011b, neuv\u011b\u0159iteln\u011b state\u010dn\u00fd. Tak\u017ee&#8230;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Omlouv\u00e1m se, m\u016f\u017ee se st\u00e1t, \u017ee ten \u010dlov\u011bk \u0159ekne, &#8222;Mn\u011b se nikdo za\u017eiva v mozku vrtat nebude. To rad\u0161i zem\u0159u.&#8220; A tu operaci nepodstoup\u00ed.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Nebo podstoup\u00ed operaci, u kter\u00e9 sp\u00ed\u0161, s t\u00edm rizikem, \u017ee tedy m\u016f\u017ee m\u00edt potom po\u0161kozenou kvalitu \u017eivota, to znamen\u00e1 \u0159e\u010d, rozum\u011bn\u00ed \u0159e\u010di, \u010dten\u00ed, psan\u00ed.&nbsp;Operace v awake re\u017eimu je velmi n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e1 na multifunk\u010dn\u00ed opera\u010dn\u00ed s\u00e1l. Ta operace celkov\u011b od t\u00e9 doby, kdy tam ten pacient p\u0159ijde a kdy s\u00e1l opou\u0161t\u00ed, je v \u0159\u00e1du 7 a\u017e t\u0159eba 12 hodin. Nen\u00ed to jako \u017ee v 8 hodin r\u00e1no je p\u00e1te\u0159 a v 10 jde na \u0159adu loket a koleno a takhle. Je to velmi, velmi zdlouhav\u00fd, zdlouhav\u00fd, pomal\u00fd proces.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Mus\u00edte m\u00edt, kdy\u017e se to povede, obrovsk\u00fd pocit radosti a zadostiu\u010din\u011bn\u00ed. To je to, pro\u010d to d\u011bl\u00e1te? Pro\u010d tu pr\u00e1ci m\u00e1te r\u00e1da?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>J\u00e1 m\u00e1m svoji pr\u00e1ci r\u00e1da. J\u00e1 ji m\u00e1m r\u00e1da. Ned\u011bl\u00e1m to proto, ale naopak je to pro m\u011b velmi, velmi n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e9. Jsem za ty lidi \u0161\u0165astn\u00e1. Asi \u00fapln\u011b nejv\u011bt\u0161\u00ed z\u00e1\u017eitek byl, kdy\u017e jsem vid\u011bla pacientku Zuzanku, kter\u00e1 2 hodiny po tomto v\u00fdkonu si psala s man\u017eelem esemesky, a to m\u011b p\u0159i\u0161lo \u00fapln\u011b fantastick\u00fd.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Po skon\u010den\u00ed operace mozku.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Ano.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>V awake re\u017eimu.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Ano.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Psala man\u017eelovi esemesku. Tak to je n\u00e1dhera. M\u00e1te p\u0159\u00e1tele d\u00edky vlastn\u011b tomu co d\u011bl\u00e1te? Proto\u017ee mo\u017en\u00e1 v n\u011bjakou chv\u00edli, kdy\u017e p\u0159ijde mozkov\u00e1 mrtvice a i ta rodina za\u010dne postupn\u011b prost\u011b upadat, m\u016f\u017eete b\u00fdt jedin\u00fd p\u0159\u00edtel, kter\u00e9ho ten \u010dlov\u011bk vlastn\u011b m\u00e1.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>To jste trefila docela h\u0159eb\u00ed\u010dek na hlavi\u010dku, proto\u017ee jak ty z\u00e1\u017eitky na s\u00e1le, tak i z\u00e1\u017eitky z t\u00e9 dlouhodob\u00e9 terapie jsou takov\u00e9, \u017ee se, trouf\u00e1m si \u0159\u00edct, polovina m\u00fdch pacient\u016f st\u00e1v\u00e1 m\u00fdmi p\u0159\u00e1teli i jejich rodiny. To je moc fajn.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Pro\u010d jste si vybrala zrovna tohle? Proto\u017ee kdy\u017e se \u0159ekne, m\u00fdm hostem bude logopedka, tak si v\u0161ichni p\u0159edstav\u00ed vl\u00eddnou pan\u00ed, kter\u00e1 pracuje p\u0159ev\u00e1\u017en\u011b s mal\u00fdmi d\u011btmi.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>J\u00e1 jsem u mal\u00fdch d\u011bt\u00ed samoz\u0159ejm\u011b za\u010d\u00ednala, proto\u017ee takov\u00e1 logopedie potom s dosp\u011bl\u00fdmi mus\u00ed navazovat na dobrou znalost \u0159e\u010dov\u00e9ho v\u00fdvoje fyziologicky, ontogeneticky.  A potom m\u011b oslovila neurologick\u00e1 klinika V\u0161eobecn\u00e9 fakultn\u00ed nemocnice a klinika rehabilita\u010dn\u00edho l\u00e9ka\u0159stv\u00ed a od t\u00e9 doby u\u017e potom po atestaci se m\u016fj v\u00fdvoj ub\u00edral t\u00edmto sm\u011brem s t\u011bmi dosp\u011bl\u00fdmi a\u017e skon\u010dil tam, kde jsem.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Jen tak mimochodem, kolik t\u011bch b\u00e1sni\u010dek tohohle typu tak m\u00e1te v hlav\u011b?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>Stra\u0161n\u011b moc.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Tak\u017ee bysme klidn\u011b hodinov\u00fd rozhovor mohli str\u00e1vit t\u00edm, \u017ee mi tady budete recitovat a pom\u016f\u017eete vylep\u0161it moj\u00ed drobnou vadu \u0159e\u010di.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana \u0160EMBEROV\u00c1, <br>M\u016f\u017eeme si d\u00e1t soukromou hodinu.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>moder\u00e1torka&nbsp;<br>Klinick\u00e1 logopedka Ivana \u0160emberov\u00e1 byla hostem Radio\u017eurn\u00e1lu. D\u011bkuju za up\u0159\u00edmnost. P\u0159eju hodn\u011b \u0161t\u011bst\u00ed p\u0159i pr\u00e1ci v\u00e1m a hodn\u011b \u0161t\u011bst\u00ed va\u0161im pacient\u016fm a a\u0165 se v\u00e1m da\u0159\u00ed. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div class=\"mh-excerpt\"><p>Lidi po \u00farazech, p\u0159i kter\u00fdch byl po\u0161kozen mozek nebo pacienty po mrtvic\u00edch u\u010d\u00ed znovu mluvit. 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