{"id":40970,"date":"2023-07-20T02:35:23","date_gmt":"2023-07-20T00:35:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=40970"},"modified":"2023-07-20T02:35:24","modified_gmt":"2023-07-20T00:35:24","slug":"upravy-penzi-zatim-snemovna-neschvalila","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=40970","title":{"rendered":"\u00dapravy penz\u00ed zat\u00edm sn\u011bmovna neschv\u00e1lila\u00a0\u00a0"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>D\u016fchodov\u00e1 reforma v Poslaneck\u00e9 sn\u011bmovn\u011b, z\u00e1konod\u00e1rci dnes hlasov\u00e1n\u00ed o sporn\u00fdch vl\u00e1dn\u00edch zm\u011bn\u00e1ch v penz\u00edch nedokon\u010dili. Novela m\u00e1 p\u0159in\u00e9st mimo jin\u00e9 zp\u0159\u00edsn\u011bn\u00ed pravidel p\u0159ed\u010dasn\u00fdch d\u016fchod\u016f a zpomalen\u00ed \u0159\u00e1dn\u00fdch valorizac\u00ed penz\u00ed. Opozice reformu v projevech tvrd\u011b kritizovala, znovu se k jej\u00edmu schvalov\u00e1n\u00ed poslanci vr\u00e1t\u00ed v p\u00e1tek v dev\u011bt hodin r\u00e1no. Do rozpravy bylo dnes odpoledne p\u0159ihl\u00e1\u0161en\u00fdch 10 lid\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>report\u00e1\u017e \u010cT 24\u00a0&#8211; Ud\u00e1losti, koment\u00e1\u0159e<br \/><br \/>Ale\u0161 Juchelka, m\u00edstop\u0159edseda poslaneck\u00e9ho klubu; st\u00ednov\u00fd\u00a0<strong>ministr<\/strong>\u00a0<strong>pr\u00e1ce<\/strong>\u00a0a soci\u00e1ln\u00edch v\u011bc\u00ed \/ANO\/<br \/>Domn\u00edv\u00e1m se, \u017ee tam je\u0161t\u011b mo\u017en\u00e1 p\u0159ibudou dal\u0161\u00ed \u0159e\u010dn\u00edci, kte\u0159\u00ed budou cht\u00edt k tomu n\u011bco \u0159\u00edct. V\u00edme, \u017ee n\u00e1s \u010dekaj\u00ed dal\u0161\u00ed p\u0159ednostn\u00ed pr\u00e1va p\u0159\u00edmo tady k tomuto bodu, tak\u017ee uvid\u00edme, do jak\u00e9 m\u00edry se to nat\u00e1hne.<br \/><br \/>Marian Jure\u010dka,\u00a0<strong>ministr<\/strong>\u00a0<strong>pr\u00e1ce<\/strong>\u00a0a soci\u00e1ln\u00edch v\u011bc\u00ed \u010cR<br \/>Pokud by opozice opravdu m\u011bla ambici hodiny, mo\u017en\u00e1 des\u00edtky hodin a dny blokovat projedn\u00e1n\u00ed v t\u0159et\u00edm \u010dten\u00ed, tak bychom potom museli p\u0159istoupit k tomu, \u017ee by to hlasov\u00e1n\u00ed bylo realizov\u00e1no na pevn\u00e9 datum a pevn\u00fd \u010das.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>No, a nejen d\u016fchodovou reformu, ale tak\u00e9 leto\u0161n\u00ed rozpo\u010det a v\u00fdhled na dal\u0161\u00ed roky probereme te\u010f s prvn\u00ed trojic\u00ed host\u016f v Ud\u00e1lostech, koment\u00e1\u0159\u00edch. Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r a b\u00fdval\u00fd eurokomisa\u0159, dobr\u00fd ve\u010der.<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>Dobr\u00fd ve\u010der.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>Na d\u00e1lku zdrav\u00edm a\u017e do Panamy Ivana Pilipa, ekonoma a b\u00fdval\u00e9ho ministra financ\u00ed, a b\u00fdval\u00e9ho viceprezidenta Evropsk\u00e9 investi\u010dn\u00ed banky, i v\u00e1m dobr\u00fd ve\u010der.<br \/><br \/>Ivan PILIP, ekonom; b\u00fdval\u00fd ministr financ\u00ed; b\u00fdval\u00fd viceprezident Evropsk\u00e9 investi\u010dn\u00ed banky<br \/>\/\u017eiv\u011b Panama City\/ Dobr\u00fd ve\u010der.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>A tady nedaleko Prahy Helenu Horskou, hlavn\u00ed ekonomku Raiffeisenbank, \u010dlenku N\u00e1rodn\u00ed ekonomick\u00e9 rady vl\u00e1dy, poradkyni premi\u00e9ra, i v\u00e1m dobr\u00fd ve\u010der, pan\u00ed Horsk\u00e1.<br \/><br \/>Helena Horsk\u00e1, hlavn\u00ed ekonomka, Raiffeisenbank, \u010dlenka N\u00e1rodn\u00ed ekonomick\u00e9 rady vl\u00e1dy, poradkyn\u011b premi\u00e9ra<br \/>\/\u017eiv\u011b Zv\u00e1novice\/ Kr\u00e1sn\u00fd ve\u010der ze Struha\u0159ova.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>Tak, pane \u0160pidlo, jak velkou zm\u011bnu syst\u00e9mu penz\u00ed p\u0159edstavuje ta vl\u00e1dn\u00ed \u00faprava ve sn\u011bmovn\u011b, kter\u00e1, jak jsme sly\u0161eli dnes, st\u00e1le je\u0161t\u011b sn\u011bmovnou ani nepro\u0161la.<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>Tak vl\u00e1dn\u00ed \u00faprava v z\u00e1sad\u011b je zm\u011bnou v pr\u016fb\u011b\u017en\u00e9m d\u016fchodov\u00e9m syst\u00e9mu a ze v\u0161ech hledisek v\u00fdrazn\u011b zhor\u0161uje situaci d\u016fchodc\u016f, a to jak sou\u010dasn\u00fdch tak i budouc\u00edch, a v principu sm\u011b\u0159uje k tomu oslabit pr\u016fb\u011b\u017en\u00fd d\u016fchodov\u00fd syst\u00e9m tak, aby nemohl b\u00fdt z\u00e1kladem financov\u00e1n\u00ed d\u016fchod\u016f v del\u0161\u00ed perspektiv\u011b, a lid\u00e9 byli postupn\u011b dotla\u010deni k vyu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1n\u00ed nejr\u016fzn\u011bj\u0161\u00edch finan\u010dn\u00edch produkt\u016f, \u010dili ala long, je to \u010d\u00e1ste\u010dn\u00e1 privatizace d\u016fchodov\u00e9ho syst\u00e9mu.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>Je tomu ale skute\u010dn\u011b tak, zvl\u00e1\u0161\u0165 kdy\u017e je\u0161t\u011b ani nev\u00edme a mo\u017en\u00e1 se k tomu dostaneme, jak m\u00e1 vypadat ten t\u0159et\u00ed pil\u00ed\u0159, je to v\u011bc, na kter\u00e9 se vl\u00e1da je\u0161t\u011b stoprocentn\u011b neshodla, ale je tomu skute\u010dn\u011b tak, \u017ee se opou\u0161t\u00ed ten pr\u016fb\u011b\u017en\u00fd syst\u00e9m, nen\u00ed to sp\u00ed\u0161 jenom \u00faprava toho pr\u016fb\u011b\u017en\u00e9ho syst\u00e9mu tak, aby si to \u010desk\u00e1 ekonomika mohla dovolit?<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>Pr\u016fb\u011b\u017en\u00fd syst\u00e9m se oslabuje a oslabuje se zp\u016fsobem, \u017ee zhruba za 10 let bude \u010dtvrtina d\u016fchodc\u016f pod hranic\u00ed p\u0159\u00edjmov\u00e9 chudoby, no a to je z\u00e1sadn\u00ed zm\u011bna.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>No, a jak s t\u00edm koresponduje to, \u017ee si to \u010cesk\u00e1 republika, podle mnoh\u00fdch ekonom\u016f, nem\u016f\u017ee dovolit, vy nejste jeden z nich.<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>Ne, ne, \u010cesk\u00e1 republika si to nepochybn\u011b dovolit m\u016f\u017ee, proto\u017ee i v obdob\u00ed, kter\u00e9 bude nejhor\u0161\u00ed n\u011bkde na p\u0159elomu pades\u00e1t\u00fdch, \u010dty\u0159ic\u00e1t\u00fdch a pades\u00e1t\u00fdch let stolet\u00ed, tak n\u00e1klady na starobn\u00ed d\u016fchody dos\u00e1hnou zhruba 12,5 % HDP. To je n\u011bco, co prost\u011b republika je schopn\u00e1 zvl\u00e1dnout.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>Nicm\u00e9n\u011b..<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>A jsou n\u011bkter\u00e9 st\u00e1ty, kter\u00e9 v sou\u010dasn\u00e9 dob\u011b d\u00e1vaj\u00ed v\u00edc.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>Ten schodek by m\u011bl dos\u00e1hnout v tu dobu, pokud by se nic nestalo, 350 miliard korun.<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>A co to je schodek d\u016fchodov\u00e9ho syst\u00e9mu? To je rozd\u00edl mezi&#8230;<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>To je rozd\u00edl mezi p\u0159\u00edjmy do st\u00e1tn\u00edho rozpo\u010dtu.<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>&#8230;p\u0159\u00edjmy a v\u00fddaji, ano, kter\u00e9 jsou, kter\u00e9 jsou technicky nastaven\u00e9, to je, to nen\u00ed nic, to je technick\u00fd deficit, to nen\u00ed re\u00e1ln\u00fd deficit tohoto syst\u00e9mu.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>No proto\u017ee neexistuje samostatn\u011b, existuje v r\u00e1mci st\u00e1tn\u00edho rozpo\u010dtu.<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>No ano, proto\u017ee je sou\u010d\u00e1st\u00ed ve\u0159ejn\u00fdch financ\u00ed.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>Ten rozd\u00edl mezi p\u0159\u00edjmem a v\u00fddaji na d\u016fchody by \u010dinil 350 miliard.<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>Ano, ale proto\u017ee&#8230;<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee by se mohlo utratit n\u011bkde m\u00e9n\u011b o 350 miliard korun v tom rozpo\u010dtu p\u0159ece.<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>Ano, to je pravda, ov\u0161em rozpo\u010det v dob\u011b, o kter\u00e9 hovo\u0159\u00edme, za n\u011bjak\u00fdch 30 let, tak bude m\u00edt zase naprosto jinou podobu a naprosto jinou v\u00fd\u0161i ne\u017e v sou\u010dasn\u00e9 dob\u011b, ale kl\u00ed\u010dov\u00e9 nen\u00ed technick\u00fd deficit, ale kl\u00ed\u010dov\u00fd je pod\u00edl d\u016fchodov\u00e9ho syst\u00e9mu na hrub\u00e9m dom\u00e1c\u00edm produktu, a ten pod\u00edl podle N\u00e1rodn\u00ed rozpo\u010dtov\u00e9 rady, dos\u00e1hne n\u011bjak\u00fdch 12,5 %, pak se to za\u010dne zlep\u0161ovat, a to je situace, ve kter\u00e9 jsou n\u011bkter\u00e9 zem\u011b u\u017e v sou\u010dasn\u00e9 dob\u011b, \u010dili nejsme v \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9m p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b u zdi a zvl\u00e1dnout to m\u016f\u017eeme.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>Jsme u zdi nebo nejsme, pan\u00ed Horsk\u00e1?<br \/><br \/>Helena Horsk\u00e1, hlavn\u00ed ekonomka, Raiffeisenbank, \u010dlenka N\u00e1rodn\u00ed ekonomick\u00e9 rady vl\u00e1dy, poradkyn\u011b premi\u00e9ra<br \/>\/\u017eiv\u011b Zv\u00e1novice\/ J\u00e1 mus\u00edm \u0159\u00edci, \u017ee stav d\u016fchodov\u00e9ho syst\u00e9mu a ve\u0159ejn\u00fdch financ\u00ed v\u011bt\u0161in\u011b dom\u00e1cnost\u00ed d\u011bl\u00e1 starosti a d\u011bl\u00e1 starosti i mnoh\u00fdm ekonom\u016fm. J\u00e1 pat\u0159\u00edm ur\u010dit\u011b mezi n\u011b, a to, \u017ee d\u016fchodov\u00fd syst\u00e9m, samostatn\u00fd d\u016fchodov\u00fd syst\u00e9m by m\u011bl za 15-20 let tvo\u0159it 12 % hrub\u00e9ho dom\u00e1c\u00edho produktu je n\u011bco, co je velmi varuj\u00edc\u00ed a tady se bav\u00edme jenom o jednom jedin\u00e9m syst\u00e9mu. Ono toti\u017e st\u00e1rnut\u00ed obyvatel nedopad\u00e1 jenom na d\u016fchodov\u00fd syst\u00e9m, ale my mus\u00edme po\u010d\u00edtat, \u017ee tak\u00e9 v\u00fdrazn\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem se sn\u00ed\u017e\u00ed po\u010det pracuj\u00edc\u00edch, to znamen\u00e1 ty zdroje, kter\u00e9 by m\u011bly putovat do st\u00e1tn\u00edho rozpo\u010dtu, budou \/nesrozumiteln\u00e9\/ chud\u0161\u00ed, d\u00e1le budou dodate\u010dn\u00e9 v\u00fddaje do zdravotnictv\u00ed, dodate\u010dn\u00e9 v\u00fddaje na soci\u00e1ln\u00ed slu\u017eby, ale tak\u00e9 na soci\u00e1ln\u00ed v\u00fddaje, tak\u017ee podle mnoh\u00fdch odhad\u016f, t\u0159eba odhad\u016f OECD, se postupn\u011b v\u00fddaje souvisej\u00edc\u00ed se st\u00e1\u0159\u00edm mohou vy\u0161plhat p\u0159es 30 % velikosti ekonomiky, co\u017e je n\u011bco, co je ur\u010dit\u011b alarmuj\u00edc\u00ed, a zem\u011b, kter\u00e9 v sou\u010dasn\u00e9 dob\u011b, jak pan \u0160pidla zmi\u0148oval, u\u017e vyd\u00e1vaj\u00ed na d\u016fchodov\u00fd syst\u00e9m zhruba 12 % sv\u00e9 v\u00fdkonnosti ekonomiky, tak pr\u00e1v\u011b i tyto zem\u011b \u0159e\u0161\u00ed alespo\u0148 parametricky d\u016fchodov\u00fd syst\u00e9m, proto\u017ee ur\u010dit\u011b nejsme jedin\u00e1 zem\u011b, kter\u00e1 v Evrop\u011b navrhuje prodlou\u017een\u00ed v\u011bku pro odchod do d\u016fchodu. Je to reakce opravdu na st\u00e1rnut\u00ed populace, kter\u00e9mu \u010del\u00ed v\u011bt\u0161ina vysp\u011bl\u00fdch zem\u00ed a my nem\u016f\u017eeme jenom ne\u010dinn\u011b hled\u011bt a nech\u00e1vat schodky ve st\u00e1le hlub\u0161\u00edch a hlub\u0161\u00edch deficitech, proto\u017ee to znamen\u00e1, \u017ee bu\u010f se budeme krut\u011b a velmi exponenci\u00e1ln\u011b, tedy velmi rychle zadlu\u017eovat, anebo budeme muset vyb\u00edrat \u010d\u00edm d\u00e1l t\u00edm v\u00edc dan\u00ed. A to jedin\u00e9, co si ur\u010dit\u011b nep\u0159eju, aby moje d\u011bti platily v\u00fdrazn\u011b vy\u0161\u0161\u00ed, ne-li dvojn\u00e1sobn\u00e9 dan\u011b, ne\u017e plat\u00edme my v sou\u010dasn\u00e9 dob\u011b.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>J\u00e1 v\u00edm, \u017ee to je velmi t\u011b\u017eko p\u0159edstaviteln\u00e9. Pokud byste abstrahovala od politick\u00e9 situace, p\u0159edstavovala byste si \u00fapravy, o kter\u00fdch se bav\u00edme te\u010f, a t\u00edm mysl\u00edm nejenom ty, kter\u00e9 jsou v Poslaneck\u00e9 sn\u011bmovn\u011b, ale i tu v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed reformu potom, kter\u00e1 m\u00e1 b\u00fdt p\u0159edstavena pozd\u011bji nebo l\u00e9pe \u0159e\u010deno, kter\u00e1 m\u00e1 proj\u00edt parlamentem pozd\u011bji. P\u0159edstavila byste si to radik\u00e1ln\u011bji?<br \/><br \/>Helena Horsk\u00e1, hlavn\u00ed ekonomka, Raiffeisenbank, \u010dlenka N\u00e1rodn\u00ed ekonomick\u00e9 rady vl\u00e1dy, poradkyn\u011b premi\u00e9ra<br \/>\/\u017eiv\u011b Zv\u00e1novice\/ Za m\u011b, pokud se pod\u00edv\u00e1me na dynamiku v\u00fdvoje, tedy prohlubov\u00e1n\u00ed, ka\u017edoro\u010dn\u00ed prudk\u00e9 prohlubov\u00e1n\u00ed schodku d\u016fchodov\u00e9ho syst\u00e9mu a z\u00e1rove\u0148 ve\u0159ejn\u00fdch syst\u00e9m\u016f, tak za m\u011b vlastn\u011b u\u017e nen\u00ed \u010das d\u011blat z\u00e1sadn\u00ed reformu, ten \u010das by m\u011bly mnoh\u00e9 p\u0159edchoz\u00ed vl\u00e1dy p\u0159ed touto vl\u00e1dou a neud\u011blaly to, proto\u017ee v sou\u010dasn\u00e9 dob\u011b, a nejenom t\u00e9to dob\u011b, ono je velk\u00e1, vy\u017eaduje to velkou odvahu d\u011blat takov\u00e9hle z\u00e1sadn\u00ed zm\u011bny, a ty pokusy o z\u00e1sadn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed reformu, bohu\u017eel v\u00edme, jak skon\u010dily, a to skon\u010dily ne\u00fasp\u011bchem t\u00e9 vl\u00e1dy, kter\u00e1 se o to pokusila, a n\u00e1stupem jin\u00e9 vl\u00e1dy, kter\u00e1 pak ty zm\u011bny vlastn\u011b zvr\u00e1tila, tak\u017ee odvaha d\u011blat d\u016fchodovou reformu je opravdu t\u011b\u017eko k hled\u00e1n\u00ed a j\u00e1 jsem velmi r\u00e1da, \u017ee aspo\u0148 se tato vl\u00e1da odhodlala k parametrick\u00fdm zm\u011bn\u00e1m pr\u016fb\u011b\u017en\u00e9ho d\u016fchodov\u00e9ho syst\u00e9mu, tak\u017ee opravdu u toho pr\u016fb\u011b\u017en\u00e9ho d\u016fchodov\u00e9ho syst\u00e9mu z\u016fst\u00e1v\u00e1me. Naopak, tato vl\u00e1da se sna\u017e\u00ed na z\u00e1klad\u011b diskuzi s experty naj\u00edt n\u011bjak\u00e9 kompromisn\u00ed \u0159e\u0161en\u00ed, kter\u00e9 by pom\u00e1halo stabilizovat tento d\u016fchodov\u00fd syst\u00e9m, zm\u00edrnit jeho schodky, to znamen\u00e1, v\u016fbec se tady nebav\u00edme o tom, \u017ee by tato vl\u00e1da usilovala, a tak \u0161krtala intenzivn\u011b v d\u016fchodech, \u017ee bychom m\u011bli m\u00edt p\u0159ebytkov\u00fd d\u016fchodov\u00fd syst\u00e9m, v \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9m p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b, tato vl\u00e1da jenom tro\u0161i\u010dku \u0161lape na brzdu, p\u0159ibrz\u010fuje prohlubov\u00e1n\u00ed schodku d\u016fchodov\u00e9ho syst\u00e9mu tak, aby d\u016fchodov\u00fd syst\u00e9m v roce 2050 nebyl okolo 5 % budouc\u00ed velikosti ekonomiky, ale pohyboval se mezi dv\u011bmi, t\u0159emi procenty, tak\u017ee st\u00e1le tu bude schodek, st\u00e1le budeme muset do d\u016fchodov\u00e9ho syst\u00e9mu, do pr\u016fb\u011b\u017en\u00e9ho d\u016fchodov\u00e9ho syst\u00e9mu, nal\u00edvat a p\u0159ih\u0159\u00edvat pen\u00edze, proto\u017ee ten syst\u00e9m nebude ani po t\u011bchto zm\u011bn\u00e1ch samofinancovateln\u00fd a bude nad\u00e1le vy\u017eadovat dodate\u010dn\u00e9 prost\u0159edky, a k tomu budeme platit st\u00e1vaj\u00edc\u00ed dluhy z t\u011bch p\u0159edchoz\u00edch hlubok\u00fdch schodk\u016f, tak\u017ee pak si dohromady m\u016f\u017eeme \u0159\u00edci, \u017ee budeme jenom na \u00faroc\u00edch u\u017e v p\u0159\u00ed\u0161t\u00edm roce platit skoro 100 miliard korun, kter\u00e9 se mohly v\u011bnovat n\u011bkam jinam a n\u011bkde jinde, a v d\u016fchodov\u00e9m syst\u00e9mu u\u017e n\u00e1m bude tak\u00e9 chyb\u011bt.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>Ano.<br \/><br \/>Helena Horsk\u00e1, hlavn\u00ed ekonomka, Raiffeisenbank, \u010dlenka N\u00e1rodn\u00ed ekonomick\u00e9 rady vl\u00e1dy, poradkyn\u011b premi\u00e9ra<br \/>\/\u017eiv\u011b Zv\u00e1novice\/ Dal\u0161\u00edch 100 miliard korun, tak\u017ee se dost\u00e1v\u00e1me automaticky ke schodk\u016fm v \u0159\u00e1dech op\u011bt vy\u0161\u0161\u00edch stovek miliard korun.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/><br \/>Pane Pilipe, hlavn\u00ed debata o t\u00e9 velk\u00e9 reform\u011b m\u00e1 podle harmonogramu ministerstva pr\u00e1ce a soci\u00e1ln\u00edch v\u011bc\u00ed za\u010d\u00edt od z\u00e1\u0159\u00ed. Co u\u010dinit pro to, aby se nestalo to, o \u010dem hovo\u0159ila pan\u00ed Horsk\u00e1 n\u011bkde uprost\u0159ed sv\u00e9ho expoz\u00e9, to znamen\u00e1, aby nov\u00e1 vl\u00e1da, kter\u00e1 p\u0159ijde, pokud bude m\u00edt jinou politickou barvu, tuhle tu reformu neshodila ze stolu, proto\u017ee nevid\u00edme v tuto chv\u00edli minim\u00e1ln\u011b od opozice jaksi p\u0159\u00edslib toho, \u017ee to, co vl\u00e1da chce prosadit, bude m\u00edt i podporu opozice.<br \/><br \/>Ivan PILIP, ekonom; b\u00fdval\u00fd ministr financ\u00ed; b\u00fdval\u00fd viceprezident Evropsk\u00e9 investi\u010dn\u00ed banky<br \/>\/\u017eiv\u011b Panama City\/ Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b velk\u00fd probl\u00e9m, proto\u017ee ta vzpom\u00ednka na ten pokus \u010dasov\u011b, tu\u0161\u00edm vl\u00e1dy, kter\u00e1 zavedla t\u0159et\u00ed pil\u00ed\u0159 a kter\u00fd byl vz\u00e1p\u011bt\u00ed zru\u0161en, po p\u0159\u00edchodu vl\u00e1dy nov\u00e9, je tady varuj\u00edc\u00ed tak\u00e9 proto, \u017ee pokud by se potom na tom m\u011bly pod\u00edlet n\u011bjak\u00e9 dal\u0161\u00ed subjekty, zejm\u00e9na soukrom\u00e9, tak by asi bez n\u011bjak\u00e9 \u0161ir\u0161\u00ed podpory politick\u00e9 m\u011bly pramalou chu\u0165 do toho experimentu j\u00edt, investovat do n\u011bj a p\u0159ipravovat ho na funk\u010dnost, kter\u00e1 by pak mohla ve velmi kr\u00e1tk\u00e9 dob\u011b skon\u010dit. Tak\u017ee co by bylo ide\u00e1ln\u00ed, by byla \u0161ir\u0161\u00ed podpora n\u011bjak\u00e9ho modelu, ale tomu zat\u00edm nic nenasv\u011bd\u010duje, proto\u017ee se tady m\u00edsto toho vyk\u0159ikuje o\u017eebra\u010dov\u00e1n\u00ed d\u016fchodc\u016f a chudnut\u00ed d\u016fchodc\u016f, co\u017e nen\u00ed pravda, proto\u017ee doposud dopad t\u00e9 inflace a celkov\u00e9ho v\u00fdvoje ekonomiky na d\u016fchodce byl ze v\u0161ech t\u011bch v\u011bt\u0161\u00edch soci\u00e1ln\u00edch skupin obyvatelstva prakticky nejmen\u0161\u00ed d\u00edky tomu valoriza\u010dn\u00edmu sch\u00e9matu, kter\u00fd se teprve ned\u00e1vno tedy n\u011bjak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem upravil. Ale tady je je\u0161t\u011b jedna v\u011bc, krom\u011b toho, \u017ee v t\u011bch minul\u00fdch desetilet\u00edch vlastn\u011b se nikdy nedok\u00e1zala naj\u00edt shoda mezi vl\u00e1dou a opozic\u00ed, tady se prop\u00e1sl je\u0161t\u011b jeden moment, proto\u017ee j\u00e1 jsem byl ve vl\u00e1d\u00e1ch v tom za\u010d\u00e1tku, kdy se uva\u017eovalo o nastaven\u00ed syst\u00e9mu, kdy tedy byl nov\u011b nastaven a uva\u017eovalo se o n\u011bjak\u00fdch jeho hlub\u0161\u00edch zm\u011bn\u00e1ch a tehdy jsme m\u011bli jeden velk\u00fd probl\u00e9m, proto\u017ee lid\u00e9, kte\u0159\u00ed byli dosp\u011bl\u00ed v t\u011bch devades\u00e1t\u00fdch letech a bl\u00ed\u017eil se jim d\u016fchod, tak nemohlo se jim \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee d\u016fchod je i jejich vlastn\u00ed zodpov\u011bdnost, \u017ee se maj\u00ed n\u011bjak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem sna\u017eit se zajistit na ta l\u00e9ta ve st\u00e1\u0159\u00ed, proto\u017ee oni prost\u011b nemohli, \u017ee \u017eili v socialistick\u00e9 ekonomice, nem\u011bli mo\u017enost jin\u00fdch zdroj\u016f, nebyly n\u00e1stroje \u00faspor. Dneska jsme 33 let pot\u00e9, a p\u0159esto v\u0161echny vl\u00e1dy t\u00e9m\u011b\u0159, s p\u00e1r \u010destn\u00fdmi v\u00fdjimkami, tady v lidech vyvol\u00e1vaj\u00ed pocit, \u017ee v d\u016fchodu se \u017eije z toho, co \u010dlov\u011bku zaplat\u00ed st\u00e1t, ale tak by to b\u00fdt nem\u011blo a ide\u00e1ln\u00ed by samoz\u0159ejm\u011b bylo, pokud by ta d\u016fchodov\u00e1 reforma pos\u00edlila prvek vlastn\u00ed zodpov\u011bdnosti ka\u017ed\u00e9ho \u010dlov\u011bka.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>No a jak by tenhle ten prvek vlastn\u00ed zodpov\u011bdnosti nebo zodpov\u011bdnosti ka\u017ed\u00e9ho \u010dlov\u011bka m\u011bl vypadat. My ur\u010dit\u011b se vzhledem k tomu, \u017ee to dneska sn\u011bmovna nedokon\u010dila, tu prvn\u00ed \u010d\u00e1st, tak budeme je\u0161t\u011b x-kr\u00e1t debatovat o t\u00e9 parametrick\u00e9 zm\u011bn\u011b, ale m\u011b by zaj\u00edmal v\u00e1\u0161 pohled na to, jak by m\u011bl vypadat, tedy jak by m\u011bla vypadat reforma toho t\u0159et\u00edho pil\u00ed\u0159e, kdy\u017e to zjednodu\u0161\u00edme.<br \/><br \/>Ivan PILIP, ekonom; b\u00fdval\u00fd ministr financ\u00ed; b\u00fdval\u00fd viceprezident Evropsk\u00e9 investi\u010dn\u00ed banky<br \/>\/\u017eiv\u011b Panama City\/ Reforma t\u0159et\u00edho pil\u00ed\u0159e by m\u011bla vypadat tak, \u017ee ka\u017ed\u00fd \u010dlov\u011bk dostane na v\u011bdom\u00ed nebo ka\u017ed\u00fd budouc\u00ed p\u0159\u00edjemce d\u016fchodu dostane na v\u011bdom\u00ed, \u017ee d\u016fchod nen\u00ed stav\u011bn tak, \u017ee to je \u010d\u00e1stka, ze kter\u00e9 se pohodln\u011b \u017eije, ale \u017ee to je \u010d\u00e1stka, kter\u00e1 m\u00e1, kterou st\u00e1t plat\u00ed na to, aby lid\u00e9 neupadli do n\u011bjak\u00e9 extr\u00e9mn\u00ed chudoby. To je st\u00e1t, to je syst\u00e9m, kter\u00fd bude do budoucna a stav, kter\u00fd bude zaji\u0161\u0165ovat ten pr\u016fb\u011b\u017en\u00fd d\u016fchodov\u00fd syst\u00e9m, pokud nechce j\u00edt do velmi hlubok\u00fdch deficit\u016f, tak bude velice t\u011b\u017ek\u00e9, aby se z n\u011bj vypl\u00e1cely pen\u00edze na n\u011bco nav\u00edc, ale st\u00e1t bude zejm\u00e9na d\u016fchodov\u00fd, pardon, da\u0148ov\u00fdmi n\u00e1stroji podporovat to, aby lid\u00e9 si spo\u0159ili sami, proto\u017ee co je alternativa, a nesli tu zodpov\u011bdnost, proto\u017ee co je alternativou, to co tady \u0159\u00edk\u00e1 Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, on m\u00e1 samoz\u0159ejm\u011b technicky pravdu, ano, deficit, co je deficit, deficit m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt, ale co to znamen\u00e1, \u017ee st\u00e1t mus\u00ed bu\u010f vyb\u00edrat v\u00edc dan\u00ed, nebo se v\u00edc zadlu\u017e\u00ed, anebo pen\u00edze, kter\u00e9 bude d\u00e1vat na d\u016fchody, budou chyb\u011bt v jin\u00fdch v\u00fddaj\u00edch, kter\u00e9 by m\u011bl st\u00e1t platit, kde\u017eto to, co by se m\u011bl, k \u010demu by se m\u011blo sm\u011b\u0159ovat je syst\u00e9m, kdy si lid\u00e9 budou uv\u011bdomovat, \u017ee st\u00e1tn\u00ed d\u016fchod je n\u011bjakou \u010d\u00e1stkou k z\u00e1kladn\u00edmu p\u0159e\u017eit\u00ed a ta \u017eivotn\u00ed \u00farove\u0148, na kterou se cht\u011bj\u00ed dostat d\u00e1l, bude zaji\u0161t\u011bna t\u00edm, \u017ee \u010d\u00e1st sv\u00fdch pen\u011bz, kter\u00e1 jim z\u016fstane proto, \u017ee se nebudou muset zvy\u0161ovat dan\u011b, bude sm\u011b\u0159ov\u00e1na do n\u011bjak\u00fdch soukrom\u00fdch n\u00e1stroj\u016f p\u0159ipoji\u0161t\u011bn\u00ed tak, aby z t\u011bchto zdroj\u016f m\u011bli druh\u00fd p\u0159\u00edjem v dob\u011b d\u016fchodu.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>Pane \u0160pidlo, t\u0159et\u00ed pil\u00ed\u0159, p\u0159edpokl\u00e1d\u00e1m, \u017ee pro v\u00e1s m\u00e1 asi, tak jak zn\u00e1m va\u0161e n\u00e1zory, \u017ee m\u00e1 mo\u017en\u00e1 margin\u00e1ln\u011bj\u0161\u00ed roli ne\u017e to, o \u010dem jsme se bavili dosud. Nicm\u00e9n\u011b jak by v ide\u00e1ln\u00edm p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b podle va\u0161eho n\u00e1zoru m\u011bl vypadat? Co by m\u011bla te\u010f vl\u00e1da prosadit?<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>Pod\u00edvejte se, t\u0159et\u00ed pil\u00ed\u0159 v z\u00e1sad\u011b nem\u00e1 smysl, proto\u017ee opravdu svat\u00e1 prostoto, kdy\u017e se pod\u00edv\u00e1te, jak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem se vyv\u00edj\u00ed t\u0159eba inflace, kdy\u017e se pod\u00edv\u00e1te na v\u00fdkonnost nejr\u016fzn\u011bj\u0161\u00edch finan\u010dn\u00edch produkt\u016f, tak zjist\u00edte, \u017ee na tom \u010dlov\u011bk nem\u016f\u017ee zalo\u017eit svoji \u017eivotn\u00ed z\u00e1kladnu.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>A pro\u010d je to zcela b\u011b\u017en\u00e1 sou\u010d\u00e1st d\u016fchodov\u00e9ho &#8222;poji\u0161t\u011bn\u00ed&#8220; v zem\u00edch na z\u00e1pad od n\u00e1s.<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>Ale nen\u00ed to, je to za prv\u00e9, d\u016fchodov\u00fd syst\u00e9m nikde nen\u00ed financov\u00e1n zcela jenom ze soci\u00e1ln\u00edch odvod\u016f, v \u010cesk\u00e9 republice je to naopak neobvykle vysok\u00e1 m\u00edra, nap\u0159\u00edklad v D\u00e1nsku je to zase obr\u00e1cen\u011b, tak\u017ee toto je prvn\u00ed v\u011bc a za druh\u00e9, ty syst\u00e9my mohou b\u00fdt dopl\u0148kov\u00e9, ale nemohou m\u00edt nikdy takovou v\u00e1hu, aby se na tom dal zalo\u017eit n\u011bjak\u00fd \u017eivot v d\u016fchodu, ale je\u0161t\u011b&#8230;<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>Dob\u0159e, tak z\u016fsta\u0148me u toho, \u017ee to je dopl\u0148kov\u00e9.<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>Moment, moment.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>\u0158ekn\u011bte mi, jak by tahle ta dopl\u0148kov\u00e1 \u010d\u00e1st podle va\u0161eho n\u00e1zoru m\u011bla vypadat?<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>Podle m\u00e9ho n\u00e1zoru ta dopl\u0148kov\u00e1 \u010d\u00e1st m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt dopl\u0148kov\u00e1 k pom\u011brn\u011b mohutn\u00e9mu z\u00e1kladn\u00edmu pr\u016fb\u011b\u017en\u00e9mu syst\u00e9mu, teprve tehdy, kdy\u017e ten z\u00e1kladn\u00ed syst\u00e9m umo\u017en\u00ed \u010dlov\u011bku volbu, to znamen\u00e1, \u017ee mu poskytne takovou m\u00edru jistoty, \u017ee se m\u016f\u017ee rozhodovat, tak pak se m\u016f\u017ee rozhodovat pro libovoln\u00fd d\u016fchodov\u00fd syst\u00e9m, jestli\u017ee ty d\u016fchodov\u00e9 fondy vlastn\u011b z\u00edsk\u00e1vaj\u00ed ekonomiku prost\u0159ednictv\u00edm st\u00e1tn\u00ed podpory, tak je to pouze metoda vyt\u0159\u00edsk\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed renty ze st\u00e1tu pod z\u00e1minkou, \u017ee to bude slou\u017eit d\u016fchodov\u00e9mu syst\u00e9mu, kter\u00e9mu to v \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9m p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b neslou\u017e\u00ed, tak\u017ee to je jedna v\u011bc, za druh\u00e9, p\u0159ece v\u00fdrok, \u017ee pr\u016fb\u011b\u017en\u00fd syst\u00e9m m\u016f\u017ee, m\u00e1 slou\u017eit tomu, aby se neupadlo do extr\u00e9mn\u00ed chudoby, tak asi do chudoby, ano, to je smysl z\u0159ejm\u011b tohoto v\u00fdroku, tak\u017ee to je dal\u0161\u00ed v\u011bc, se kterou nelze souhlasit a posledn\u00ed v\u011bc, se kterou zcela nelze souhlasit, je p\u0159edstava, \u017ee kdy\u017e jsem celej \u017eivot pracoval 35, 40 let, a opravdu jsem pracoval, chodil jsem do pr\u00e1ce, je za mnou, prost\u011b jsou ty miliony, jsou za m\u011b ty koleje nebo j\u00e1 nev\u00edm, co v\u0161echno jsem za tu dobu ud\u011blal, tak m\u00edt p\u0159edstavu, \u017ee jsem neodpov\u011bdn\u00fd, \u017ee odpov\u011bdnost spo\u010d\u00edv\u00e1 v tom, \u017ee si spo\u0159\u00edm na n\u011bjak\u00e9m velmi \u010dasto pochybn\u00e9m finan\u010dn\u00edm produktu, to jako dovolte, ale s t\u00edm se ned\u00e1 souhlasit.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>Jaksi ode zdi ke zdi, kdy\u017e to \u0159eknu.<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>Jak to \u017ee ode zdi ke zdi.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>Velmi lidov\u011b, proto\u017ee jako kdyby tahle ta v\u011bc, jako kdybychom lidem, kte\u0159\u00ed cel\u00fd \u017eivot pracovali, a m\u00e1te pravdu samoz\u0159ejm\u011b, o\u010dek\u00e1vaj\u00ed, \u017ee n\u011bco od st\u00e1tu dostanou, jako kdybychom jim \u0159\u00edkali, \u017ee nemaj\u00ed vlastn\u00ed zodpov\u011bdnost v\u016fbec \u017e\u00e1dnou, proto\u017ee ta zodpov\u011bdnost jejich byla u\u017e jenom to, \u017ee platili do soci\u00e1ln\u00edho nebo soci\u00e1ln\u00ed odvody b\u011bhem sv\u00e9ho aktivn\u00edho \u017eivota.<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>Ale celej \u017eivot pracovali.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>A j\u00e1 se pt\u00e1m&#8230; Ano, ano, j\u00e1 tohleto nezpochyb\u0148uji.<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>A ta zem\u011b, kter\u00e1 tady je, tak to je jejich d\u00edlo. A jestli\u017ee n\u011bkdo, te\u010f jsou v d\u016fchodu a n\u011bkdo d\u00e1l pracuje, tak v\u011bt\u0161inou to pracuje na v\u00fdrobc\u00edch a n\u00e1stroj\u00edch, kter\u00e9 vytvo\u0159ila ta p\u0159edchoz\u00ed generace.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>No a moje ot\u00e1zka st\u00e1le sm\u011b\u0159uje k tomu.<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>A ty lidi by platili d\u016fchody sv\u00fdm d\u011btem.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>&#8230; jak by m\u011bla vypadat ta \u010d\u00e1st, ta \u010d\u00e1st, kter\u00e1 nebude zaji\u0161\u0165ovan\u00e1 st\u00e1tem, vy \u0159\u00edk\u00e1te pochybn\u00e9 investi\u010dn\u00ed produkty atd., co by tedy m\u011bl ud\u011blat st\u00e1t nebo vl\u00e1da v r\u00e1mci t\u00e9hle t\u00e9 reformy, aby to nebyly pochybn\u00e9 investi\u010dn\u00ed.<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>No nem\u011bl by d\u011blat nic, proto\u017ee v tomto sm\u011bru, proto\u017ee nen\u00ed schopen zajistit, \u017ee tyto syst\u00e9my budou tak spolehliv\u00e9, aby se mohly st\u00e1t opravdovou oporou pro d\u016fchodov\u00fd syst\u00e9m, ano, je vhodn\u00e9, kdy\u017e vytv\u00e1\u0159\u00ed r\u016fzn\u00e9 dlouhodob\u00e9 finan\u010dn\u00ed produkty, to asi ano. V okam\u017eiku, kdy lid\u00e9 maj\u00ed mo\u017enost volby, ale uv\u011bdomte si, t\u0159etina lid\u00ed nen\u00ed schopna ze sv\u00fdch \u00faspor \u017e\u00edt ani t\u0159i m\u011bs\u00edce a kolem poloviny lid\u00ed nedok\u00e1\u017ee prost\u011b zvl\u00e1dnout \u0161est m\u011bs\u00edc\u016f. No tak mi \u0159ekn\u011bte, tohle je v z\u00e1sad\u011b spole\u010dnost bez \u00faspor, a je to n\u00e1hoda?<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>No ot\u00e1zka je, jak\u00e1 byla finan\u010dn\u00ed gramotnost lid\u00ed, kdy\u017e za\u010dali vyd\u011bl\u00e1vat a zda si nem\u011bli v tu dobu u\u017e za\u010d\u00edt spo\u0159it, jak tomu byli vedeni nebo nebyli, to je na jinou debatu.<br \/><br \/>Vladim\u00edr \u0160pidla, b\u00fdval\u00fd premi\u00e9r \/Socdem\/<br \/>To jsou opravdu \u00favahy, kter\u00e9 ano, daj\u00ed se pron\u00e9st, ale v z\u00e1sad\u011b nemaj\u00ed smysl, proto\u017ee ty lid\u00e9 existuj\u00ed v n\u011bjak\u00fdch soci\u00e1ln\u00edch souvislostech a ty soci\u00e1ln\u00ed souvislosti v\u016fbec nejsou lehk\u00e9.<br \/><br \/>Martin \u0158ezn\u00ed\u010dek, moder\u00e1tor \u010cT<br \/>Pan\u00ed Horsk\u00e1, vl\u00e1du \u010dek\u00e1 te\u010f z\u00e1sadn\u00ed a v\u00e1s jako poradce, \u010dek\u00e1 z\u00e1sadn\u00ed jedn\u00e1n\u00ed o tom, jak by ten t\u0159et\u00ed pil\u00ed\u0159 m\u011bl vypadat, co je nejpravd\u011bpodobn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed varianta, jak\u00fd ten investi\u010dn\u00ed produkt s n\u011bjakou podporou &#8222;st\u00e1tu&#8220;, jak by to m\u011blo vypadat?<br \/><br \/>Helena Horsk\u00e1, hlavn\u00ed ekonomka, Raiffeisenbank, \u010dlenka N\u00e1rodn\u00ed ekonomick\u00e9 rady vl\u00e1dy, poradkyn\u011b premi\u00e9ra<br \/>\/\u017eiv\u011b Zv\u00e1novice\/ Zm\u011bny v t\u0159et\u00edm pil\u00ed\u0159i se samoz\u0159ejm\u011b tak\u00e9 pl\u00e1nuj\u00ed, jsou p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm parametrick\u00e9. J\u00e1 bych tady r\u00e1da cht\u011bla reagovat na pana \u0160pidlu a te\u010f nebudu rozeb\u00edrat marxistick\u00e9 teorie, hodnoty, jak se vytv\u00e1\u0159\u00ed v tr\u017en\u00ed ekonomice hodnota, ale sp\u00ed\u0161 zd\u016frazn\u00edm, nejenom to, \u017ee lid\u00e9 v \u010cesk\u00e9 republice dlouhou dobu pracovali a ur\u010dit\u011b si zaslou\u017e\u00ed n\u011bjak\u00fd v uvozovk\u00e1ch z\u00e1kladn\u00ed d\u016fstojn\u00fd p\u0159\u00edjem, ale tak\u00e9 \u010cesk\u00e1 republika pat\u0159\u00ed mezi n\u00e1rody, kter\u00e9 spo\u0159\u00ed nejv\u00edce. My m\u00e1me jednu z nejvy\u0161\u0161\u00edch m\u011br \u00faspor v Evrop\u011b. Ano, je pravda, \u017ee po covidov\u00e9 krizi zhruba t\u0159etina dom\u00e1cnost\u00ed si se sv\u00fdmi p\u0159\u00edjmy tak tak vysta\u010d\u00ed, a pr\u00e1v\u011b proto tady pot\u0159ebujeme opravdu pevn\u00fd pr\u016fb\u011b\u017en\u00fd syst\u00e9m, kter\u00fd pr\u00e1v\u011b t\u011bmto dom\u00e1cnostem, kte\u0159\u00ed si i za sv\u016fj cel\u00fd pracovn\u00ed \u017eivot nebyli schopni p\u0159\u00edli\u0161 mnoho odlo\u017eit stranou, tak aby byl jejich oporou a mohli se o n\u011bj op\u0159\u00edt. Pro zbytek zam\u011bstnanc\u016f a pracovn\u00edk\u016f, kte\u0159\u00ed se tak\u00e9 pod\u00edleli na \u017eivotn\u00ed \u00farovni, ale mus\u00edme na rovinu \u0159\u00edci, \u017ee by se m\u011bli tak\u00e9 zodpov\u011bdn\u011b postarat o sebe. A pokud necht\u011bj\u00ed spadnout na ten, \u0159ekn\u011bme z\u00e1kladn\u00ed d\u016fstojn\u00fd &#8222;d\u016fchod&#8220; tedy p\u0159\u00edjem, tak si ale mus\u00ed spo\u0159it a mus\u00ed \u0161et\u0159it do budoucna, jakkoliv cht\u011bj\u00ed, tak\u017ee znovu \u0159\u00edk\u00e1m, odpov\u011bdnost tady je d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e1, m\u011bli bychom ji \u0159\u00edkat, kdykoliv mluv\u00edme o budoucnosti, o tom, \u017ee se chceme nebo nechceme spol\u00e9hat na st\u00e1t. J\u00e1 bych tady varovala, nespol\u00e9hejme na st\u00e1t a kdo m\u016f\u017ee, tak a\u0165 spo\u0159\u00ed a jak\u00fdmkoliv zp\u016fsobem, proto\u017ee nechce-li propadnout ve sv\u00e9 \u017eivotn\u00ed \u00farovni n\u00e1stupem do pracovn\u00edho neboli pracovn\u00edho d\u016fchodu, tedy pracovn\u00edho odpo\u010dinku, tak je nutn\u00e9 spo\u0159it a je to jedno, jak bude spo\u0159it. Naopak vl\u00e1da chyst\u00e1 takov\u00e9 zm\u011bny, kter\u00e9 by vytvo\u0159ily mimochodem t\u011bm konzervativn\u00edm tzv. transforma\u010dn\u00edm penzijn\u00edm fond\u016fm konkurenci, nap\u0159\u00edklad v tzv. IPU, \u00fa\u010dtu dlouhodob\u00fdch investic nebo to mohou b\u00fdt velmi zn\u00e1m\u00e9 i investice do bydlen\u00ed, proto\u017ee mnoho \u010desk\u00fdch dom\u00e1cnost\u00ed v posledn\u00edch n\u011bkolika des\u00edtk\u00e1ch let, pokud m\u011bly mo\u017enost, tak investovaly i do bydlen\u00ed, a to je tak\u00e9 dal\u0161\u00ed forma, jak si v uvozovk\u00e1ch spo\u0159it na st\u00e1\u0159\u00ed a zajistit si n\u011bjak\u00fd pravideln\u00fd, sice men\u0161\u00ed, ale pravideln\u00fd p\u0159\u00edjem, kter\u00fd bude k d\u016fchodu ur\u010dit\u011b p\u0159isp\u00edvat, a bude omezovat p\u0159\u00edpadn\u00fd propad p\u0159\u00edjmu s n\u00e1stupem do postproduktivn\u00edho v\u011bku, tak\u017ee za m\u011b ten t\u0159et\u00ed pil\u00ed\u0159 by m\u011bl b\u00fdt ur\u010dit\u011b reformov\u00e1n, mluv\u00edme o otev\u0159en\u00ed, zv\u00fd\u0161en\u00ed konkurence, sn\u00ed\u017een\u00ed poplatku v penzijn\u00edch fondech, umo\u017en\u011bn\u00ed, a hlavn\u011b mlad\u00fdm lidem, kte\u0159\u00ed si ve velk\u00e9m sp\u00ed\u0161e m\u00e1lo spo\u0159\u00ed, aby si spo\u0159ili tak, jak jim to vyhovuje, i v n\u011bjak\u00fdch modern\u00edch investi\u010dn\u00edch produktech, ale hlavn\u011b, aby se nau\u010dili od za\u010d\u00e1tku sv\u00e9ho pracovn\u00edho procesu si odkl\u00e1dat stranou a spo\u0159it si na sv\u00e9 st\u00e1\u0159\u00ed a nespol\u00e9hat se automaticky na st\u00e1t.<br \/><br \/><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div class=\"mh-excerpt\"><p>D\u016fchodov\u00e1 reforma v Poslaneck\u00e9 sn\u011bmovn\u011b, z\u00e1konod\u00e1rci dnes hlasov\u00e1n\u00ed o sporn\u00fdch vl\u00e1dn\u00edch zm\u011bn\u00e1ch v penz\u00edch nedokon\u010dili. 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