{"id":47047,"date":"2024-03-14T04:36:50","date_gmt":"2024-03-14T03:36:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=47047"},"modified":"2024-03-14T04:36:55","modified_gmt":"2024-03-14T03:36:55","slug":"nantl-urednici-ministerstva-se-ptaji-obci-proc-segreguji-romske-zaky","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=47047","title":{"rendered":"Nantl: \u00da\u0159edn\u00edci ministerstva se ptaj\u00ed obc\u00ed, pro\u010d\u00a0segreguj\u00ed romsk\u00e9 \u017e\u00e1ky"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>\u00a0Radio\u017eurn\u00e1l\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><br \/>Kdy\u017e mu bylo asi 8 let, tak ho z b\u011b\u017en\u00e9 z\u00e1kladn\u00ed \u0161koly p\u0159e\u0159adili do speci\u00e1ln\u00ed, co\u017e je p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh Juliuse Mika z Ostravy. Takhle na tu zm\u011bnu vzpom\u00edn\u00e1.<br \/><br \/>Julius MIKO,<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Kdy\u017e jsem nastoupil jako do t\u00e9 \u0161koly, do t\u00e9 speci\u00e1ln\u00ed, tak j\u00e1 jsem byl v \u0161oku, proto\u017ee tam \u010desk\u00e9 d\u011bti v\u016fbec nebyly, tam byly jenom romsk\u00e9 d\u011bti, bylo to stra\u0161n\u011b jednoduch\u00e9, ten \u010dlov\u011bk, kdy\u017e vyleze speci\u00e1ln\u00ed \u0161kolu, tak neexistuje, aby tam nabral takov\u00e9 v\u011bdomosti, aby se dal vzd\u011bl\u00e1val. Je to t\u011b\u017ek\u00e9, proto\u017ee nevzd\u011blan\u00fd \u010dlov\u011bk tady nem\u00e1 \u0161anci na lep\u0161\u00ed pr\u00e1ci.<br \/><br \/>moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Pozd\u011bji Julius Miko spole\u010dn\u011b s dal\u0161\u00edmi 17 romsk\u00fdmi d\u011btmi s podobn\u00fdm osudem vyhr\u00e1l p\u0159\u00edpad u Evropsk\u00e9ho soudu pro lidsk\u00e1 pr\u00e1va, jen\u017ee diskriminaci n\u011bkter\u00e9 romsk\u00e9 d\u011bti za\u017e\u00edvaj\u00ed i v sou\u010dasnosti. Ministerstvo \u0161kolstv\u00ed te\u010f slibuje, \u017ee chce se segregac\u00ed skoncovat. Dnes sv\u016fj pl\u00e1n p\u0159edstav\u00ed na jedn\u00e1n\u00ed Rady Evropy ve \u0160trasburku a pr\u00e1v\u011b tam je tak\u00e9 n\u00e1m\u011bstek ministra \u0161kolstv\u00ed Ji\u0159\u00ed Nantl z ODS. Dobr\u00fd den.<br \/><br \/>Jak to, \u017ee za t\u011bch cel\u00fdch 16 let od rozsudku se nepovedlo diskriminaci Rom\u016f ve \u0161kolstv\u00ed n\u011bjak vy\u0159e\u0161it?<br \/><br \/>Ji\u0159\u00ed NANTL, n\u00e1m\u011bstek ministra \u0161kolstv\u00ed \/ODS\/<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>No, j\u00e1 bych netvrdil, \u017ee se nic nezm\u011bnilo. Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee t\u011bch zm\u011bn byla \u0159ada, hlubok\u00e9, i jako s velk\u00fdmi dopady na \u017eivoty \u0159ady lid\u00ed. Ono je pot\u0159eba u\u017e \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee vlastn\u011b zvl\u00e1\u0161tn\u00ed \u0161koly tak, jak existovaly v dob\u011b, kdy za\u010dal ten p\u0159\u00edpad D. H. proti \u010cesk\u00e9 republice, tak dnes u\u017e neexistuj\u00ed. Ale j\u00e1 mysl\u00edm, \u017ee je dobr\u00e9 i taky si pojmenovat, o co vlastn\u011b jde, aby tomu poslucha\u010di dob\u0159e rozum\u011bli, podstata toho p\u0159\u00edpadu je samoz\u0159ejm\u011b romsk\u00e1 segregace nebo diskriminace Rom\u016f ve vzd\u011bl\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed, ale v z\u00e1sad\u011b jde hlavn\u011b o to, \u017ee n\u011bkte\u0159\u00ed lid\u00e9 prost\u011b byli vzd\u011bl\u00e1v\u00e1ni jako ment\u00e1ln\u011b\u00a0<strong>posti\u017een\u00ed<\/strong>, i kdy\u017e ment\u00e1ln\u011b\u00a0<strong>posti\u017een\u00ed<\/strong>\u00a0nebyli, a to, mysl\u00edm, \u017ee je ten p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh, na kter\u00fd pan Miko vzpom\u00ednal, a to je n\u011bco, co samoz\u0159ejm\u011b nem\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt. A dnes m\u00e1me syst\u00e9mov\u00e9 z\u00e1ruky, aby vlastn\u011b se to ned\u011blo jako syst\u00e9m, ale v\u00edme, \u017ee je n\u011bjak\u00fd po\u010det m\u00edst v \u010cesk\u00e9 republice, kde st\u00e1le vedeme diskuzi, zda ta \u0161kola, kde je vysok\u00fd pod\u00edl jenom romsk\u00fdch \u017e\u00e1k\u016f, p\u0159ev\u00e1\u017en\u011b romsk\u00fdch \u017e\u00e1k\u016f, vlastn\u011b nen\u00ed v\u00fdsledkem n\u011bjak\u00e9 c\u00edlen\u00e9 segregace. A t\u00edm se dnes zab\u00fdv\u00e1me.<br \/><br \/>moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>No, t\u011bch, podle \u00fadaj\u016f ministerstva \u0161kolstv\u00ed je tedy t\u011bch obc\u00ed asi t\u0159ic\u00edtka, kter\u00e9 tedy z\u0159izuj\u00ed jenom jednu \u0161kolu a ta je segregovan\u00e1 pr\u00e1v\u011b nejsp\u00ed\u0161 proto, \u017ee v tom okol\u00ed bydl\u00ed v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed romsk\u00e1 komunita, ale co v t\u011bch p\u0159\u00edpadech chcete tedy konkr\u00e9tn\u011b ud\u011blat?<br \/><br \/>Ji\u0159\u00ed NANTL, n\u00e1m\u011bstek ministra \u0161kolstv\u00ed \/ODS\/<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>No, ono to n\u011bkdy m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt t\u00edm, \u017ee v okol\u00ed bydl\u00ed romsk\u00e1 komunita, ale sledujeme i p\u0159\u00edpady, kde je t\u0159eba vymezen sp\u00e1dov\u00fd obvod tak, \u017ee ta obec m\u00e1 v\u00edce \u0161kol, ka\u017ed\u00e1 ta \u0161kola, a\u017e na jednu, m\u00e1 sp\u00e1dov\u00fd obvod pro n\u011bjakou \u010d\u00e1st t\u00e9 obce a jedna m\u00e1 pro celou obec a tam vlastn\u011b se vyskytuje pak vysok\u00fd pod\u00edl romsk\u00fdch \u017e\u00e1k\u016f a tam my \u0159\u00edk\u00e1me, to je vlastn\u011b ta segregace p\u0159\u00edmo v \u00fazem\u00ed, jde v podstat\u011b o konkr\u00e9tn\u00ed pr\u00e1ci s t\u011bmi obcemi, to znamen\u00e1, \u00fa\u0159edn\u00edci ministerstva se jich ptaj\u00ed, pro\u010d to tak maj\u00ed, zda to um\u00ed vysv\u011btlit, zda se dobereme toho, \u017ee to m\u00e1 objektivn\u00ed p\u0159\u00ed\u010diny, nebo se to zd\u00e1 b\u00fdt v\u00fdsledkem vlastn\u011b n\u011bjak\u00e9ho c\u00edlen\u00e9ho nastaven\u00ed. A pak jsou mechanismy, jak p\u0159ezkoum\u00e1vat vlastn\u011b vyhl\u00e1\u0161ky obc\u00ed o sp\u00e1dov\u00fdch obvodech a dos\u00e1hnout t\u0159eba jejich zlep\u0161en\u00ed, ale jde i o \u0159adu jin\u00fdch n\u00e1stroj\u016f, dneska vlastn\u011b i v pozitivn\u00edm sm\u011bru, dneska ta diskuze o tom rozsudku D. H. a jeho dopadu na \u010desk\u00fd vzd\u011bl\u00e1vac\u00ed syst\u00e9m je vlastn\u011b nejenom ve vztahu k romsk\u00fdm \u017e\u00e1k\u016fm, ale obecn\u011b k rovn\u00fdm p\u0159\u00edle\u017eitostem ve vzd\u011bl\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed a v\u00edme, a p\u0159ed t\u00fddnem jsme vlastn\u011b p\u0159edlo\u017eili i n\u00e1vrh z\u00e1kona, kter\u00fd n\u00e1m umo\u017en\u00ed, abychom c\u00edlen\u011b vlastn\u011b podporovali finan\u010dn\u011b ve v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed m\u00ed\u0159e \u0161koly, kter\u00e9 maj\u00ed vy\u0161\u0161\u00ed pod\u00edl \u017e\u00e1k\u016f se slab\u0161\u00edm socioekonomick\u00fdm statutem jejich rodin, \u017ee my v\u00edme, \u017ee je p\u0159\u00edstup ke vzd\u011bl\u00e1n\u00ed v \u010cesk\u00e9 republice a vlastn\u011b \u0161ance t\u011bch \u017e\u00e1k\u016f na kvalitn\u00ed vzd\u011bl\u00e1n\u00ed v na\u0161\u00ed zemi je hodn\u011b z\u00e1visl\u00e1 na tom, jak bohat\u00ed a vzd\u011blan\u00ed jsou va\u0161i rodi\u010de. Tak\u017ee bych \u0159ekl, vlastn\u011b ta romsk\u00e1 desegregace je takov\u00fd lakmusov\u00fd pap\u00edrek, jestli v podstat\u011b i ten \u017e\u00e1k z majority, kter\u00fd ale nem\u00e1 bohat\u00e9 a vzd\u011blan\u00e9 rodi\u010de, se to bere \u0161ance na rovn\u00e9 a kvalitn\u00ed vzd\u011bl\u00e1n\u00ed, stejn\u011b jako kdokoliv jin\u00fd.<br \/><br \/>moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>A co kdy\u017e ty zm\u011bny a tedy aplikace t\u011bch n\u00e1stroj\u016f, o kter\u00fdch mluv\u00edte, vyvolaj\u00ed nelibost \u010d\u00e1sti rodi\u010d\u016f, kte\u0159\u00ed budou tla\u010dit na \u0159editele a zastupitele, aby na ta opat\u0159en\u00ed nep\u0159istupovali. Jak na tohle budete reagovat?<br \/><br \/>Ji\u0159\u00ed NANTL, n\u00e1m\u011bstek ministra \u0161kolstv\u00ed \/ODS\/<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>No, ono to mo\u017en\u00e1 nen\u00ed zas tak moc k diskuzi, to je prost\u011b princip na\u0161\u00ed \u00fastavy, \u017ee se v\u0161emi lidmi se m\u00e1 zach\u00e1zet stejn\u011b a v\u0161ichni maj\u00ed stejn\u00e1 pr\u00e1va, to j\u00e1 mysl\u00edm, \u017ee dneska, ani se mn\u011b nezd\u00e1, \u017ee by takhle to v tom ve\u0159ejn\u00e9m prostoru zn\u011blo, \u017ee by n\u011bkdo zpochyb\u0148oval, \u017ee prost\u011b v\u0161echny d\u011bti maj\u00ed chodit v z\u00e1sad\u011b do stejn\u00fdch b\u011b\u017en\u00fdch \u0161kol, ale n\u011bjakou nelibost to nepochybn\u011b vyvol\u00e1vat bude, proto tak\u00e9 vlastn\u011b ten prvn\u00ed krok ze strany st\u00e1tu je p\u0159esv\u011bd\u010dov\u00e1n\u00ed a pomoc, vlastn\u011b n\u011bjak\u00e9 z\u00e1sahy formou t\u0159eba p\u0159ezkoum\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed a ru\u0161en\u00ed t\u011bch vyhl\u00e1\u0161ek jsou n\u011bco, co m\u00e1 st\u00e1t obecn\u011b k dispozici, to vlastn\u011b nen\u00ed zaveden\u00ed nov\u00e9 legislativy a \/nesrozumiteln\u00e9\/ d\u016fsledn\u00e9 uplat\u0148ov\u00e1n\u00ed. A je pot\u0159eba si \u0159\u00edct, vy jste to zmi\u0148oval, ono se dot\u00fdk\u00e1 asi 30 obc\u00ed z 6 000 n\u011bco obc\u00ed, kter\u00e9 v \u010cesk\u00e9 republice m\u00e1me, to znamen\u00e1, v\u011bt\u0161ina obyvatel \u010cesk\u00e9 republiky se s t\u00edm ve sv\u00e9m okol\u00ed vlastn\u011b v\u016fbec nesetk\u00e1v\u00e1, \u017ee by tam byla diskuze, jestli tam nen\u00ed segregovan\u00e1 \u0161kola, nebo je. Tak\u017ee od toho rozsudku D. H., kdy jsme m\u011bli do roku 2005 opravdu m\u011bli syst\u00e9m zvl\u00e1\u0161tn\u00edch \u0161kol, u kter\u00e9ho pravd\u011bpodobn\u011b v nemal\u00e9 m\u00ed\u0159e byly za\u0159azeny i d\u011bti, kter\u00e9 pak byly vzd\u011bl\u00e1v\u00e1ny jako ment\u00e1ln\u011b\u00a0<strong>posti\u017een\u00e9<\/strong>, i kdy\u017e ment\u00e1ln\u011b\u00a0<strong>posti\u017een\u00e9<\/strong>\u00a0nebyly, tak jsme se za 15 let velmi posunuli, vlastn\u011b nejenom, \u017ee od roku 2016 plat\u00ed ze z\u00e1kona princip impulsivn\u00edho vzd\u011bl\u00e1n\u00ed, ale byla zavedena i \u0159ada z\u00e1ruk, aby pokud je n\u011bjak\u00e9 d\u00edt\u011b diagnostikov\u00e1no se speci\u00e1ln\u00ed vzd\u011bl\u00e1vac\u00ed pot\u0159ebou, aby to bylo ka\u017edoro\u010dn\u011b p\u0159ehodnocov\u00e1no, \u017ee se nem\u016f\u017ee st\u00e1t vlastn\u011b to, co se d\u011blo v t\u00e9 podob\u011b tehdy.<br \/><br \/>moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>N\u00e1m\u011bstek ministra \u0161kolstv\u00ed Ji\u0159\u00ed Nantl z ODS. 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