{"id":48480,"date":"2024-04-29T09:35:28","date_gmt":"2024-04-29T07:35:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=48480"},"modified":"2024-04-29T09:35:29","modified_gmt":"2024-04-29T07:35:29","slug":"demograf-rust-delky-zivota-se-bude-zpomalovat","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=48480","title":{"rendered":"Demograf: R\u016fst d\u00e9lky \u017eivota se bude zpomalovat."},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>\u010cT24<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> Na konci roku 2023 bylo v \u010cesku skoro 2 400 000 lid\u00ed, kte\u0159\u00ed pob\u00edrali starobn\u00ed d\u016fchod. O rok d\u0159\u00edv jich p\u0159itom bylo zhruba o 300 tis\u00edc m\u00ed\u0148. Meziro\u010dn\u011b se tak po\u010det penzist\u016f zv\u00fd\u0161il zhruba o 13 %. A tady u\u017e jsou predikce statistik\u016f z lo\u0148ska ohledn\u011b toho, jak se bude navy\u0161ovat po\u010det obyvatel star\u0161\u00edch 65 let. V polovin\u011b stolet\u00ed by jich v \u010cesku m\u011blo \u017e\u00edt o 900 tis\u00edc v\u00edc ne\u017e te\u010f. Pro n\u00e1zorn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed p\u0159edstavu, loni pat\u0159ila do t\u00e9hle v\u011bkov\u00e9 skupiny p\u011btina spole\u010dnosti. V roce 2051 u\u017e to bude skoro 30 %. A za dal\u0161\u00ed p\u016flstolet\u00ed v\u00edc ne\u017e t\u0159etina populace. A nab\u00eddneme dal\u0161\u00ed \u00fahel pohledu. Hostem ve vys\u00edl\u00e1n\u00ed je Tom\u00e1\u0161 Fiala z katedry demografie Fakulty informatiky a statistiky Vysok\u00e9 \u0161koly ekonomick\u00e9 v Praze, dobr\u00fd ve\u010der.<br \/><br \/>Tak z pohledu demografa, bude nutn\u00e9 zvedat hranici pro odchod do d\u016fchodu?<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Fiala, katedra demografie, Fakulta informatiky a statistiky V\u0160E v Praze<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Tak j\u00e1 si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee bude nutn\u00e9 hledat cesty, jak zajistit finan\u010dn\u00ed stabilitu d\u016fchodov\u00e9ho syst\u00e9mu. Je to samoz\u0159ejm\u011b jedna z mo\u017enost\u00ed takov\u00e1 zd\u00e1nliv\u011b nejjednodu\u0161\u0161\u00edch. Hovo\u0159ilo se zde o jin\u00fdch mo\u017enostech. Nap\u0159\u00edklad da\u0148ov\u00e1 reforma, \u0159ekn\u011bme, t\u0159eba vy\u0161\u0161\u00ed progrese zdan\u011bn\u00ed anebo mo\u017enost n\u011bjak\u00e9ho, \u0159ekn\u011bme, soukrom\u00e9ho zabezpe\u010den\u00e9ho p\u0159ipoji\u0161t\u011bn\u00ed lid\u00ed, kte\u0159\u00ed by cht\u011bli si na d\u016fchod odkl\u00e1dat v\u00edce a potom m\u00edt vy\u0161\u0161\u00ed d\u016fchod. I to by mohl garantovat st\u00e1t. Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b tam je probl\u00e9m, zda by nedo\u0161lo ke znehodnocen\u00ed v d\u016fsledku inflace, \u010dili t\u011bch cest je \u0159ada.<br \/><br \/> moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Kde vy vid\u00edte hlavn\u00ed rizika pro zvy\u0161ov\u00e1n\u00ed v\u011bku pro odchod do d\u016fchodu podle toho mechanismu, jak ho pl\u00e1nuje ministerstvo pr\u00e1ce a soci\u00e1ln\u00edch v\u011bc\u00ed? J\u00e1 u\u017e jsem to tady stru\u010dn\u011b zmi\u0148oval, ale kdybyste to rozvedl.<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Fiala, katedra demografie, Fakulta informatiky a statistiky V\u0160E v Praze<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Tak tam vid\u00edm rizika dv\u011b, \u017ee je, \u0159ekn\u011bme, logick\u00e9, aby lid\u00e9 se dov\u011bd\u011bli v 50 letech, kdy p\u016fjdou do d\u016fchodu, ale mus\u00ed se to ur\u010dovat nikoliv podle toho, jak\u00e1 byla \u00famrtnost v tom jednom jedin\u00e9m roce, kdy jim bylo 50, ale jak\u00e1 bude p\u0159edpokl\u00e1dan\u00e1 \u00famrtnost za 15 let, a\u017e dos\u00e1hnou d\u016fchodov\u00e9ho v\u011bku. Ukazuje se, \u017ee pro jednotliv\u00e9 generace by ta d\u00e9lka \u017eivota m\u011bla r\u016fst rovnom\u011brn\u011b, a proto by i to zvy\u0161ov\u00e1n\u00ed d\u016fchodov\u00e9ho v\u011bku m\u011blo b\u00fdt rovnom\u011brn\u00e9. Nem\u011bly by tam b\u00fdt ty v\u00fdkyvy zp\u016fsoben\u00e9 nap\u0159\u00edklad covidem. A druh\u00e9 riziko vid\u00edm v tom, \u017ee se p\u0159edpokl\u00e1d\u00e1, \u017ee d\u00e9lka \u017eivota nad\u00e1le poroste, ale ten r\u016fst se bude zpomalovat. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee ten n\u00e1vrh ministerstva by vedl k tomu, \u017ee by lid\u00e9 m\u011bli vy\u0161\u0161\u00ed d\u016fchodov\u00fd v\u011bk a p\u0159itom by pob\u00edrali d\u016fchod o n\u011bco krat\u0161\u00ed dobu ne\u017e ta generace 65. Nap\u0159\u00edklad pro generaci 2000 mn\u011b vy\u0161lo, \u017ee by do d\u016fchodu \u0161li ve 70 letech, t\u0159ech m\u011bs\u00edc\u00edch. A p\u0159itom by d\u016fchod pob\u00edrali o p\u011bt m\u011bs\u00edc\u016f m\u00e9n\u011b ne\u017e ta generace z roku 65. \u010cili si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee to tempo by m\u011blo b\u00fdt pomalej\u0161\u00ed u\u017e tak\u00e9 proto, \u017ee kdy\u017e lid\u00e9 p\u016fjdou pozd\u011bji do d\u016fchodu, budou d\u00e9le pracovat. M\u011bli by m\u00edt i o n\u011bco del\u0161\u00ed dobu pob\u00edr\u00e1n\u00ed d\u016fchod\u016f.<br \/><br \/>Roman Fojta, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Kdy\u017e to vezmu konkr\u00e9tn\u011b, ten n\u00e1vrh \u010cesk\u00e9 demografick\u00e9 spole\u010dnosti. Ona doporu\u010dila line\u00e1rn\u00ed r\u016fst v\u011bku odchodu do d\u016fchodu s pravideln\u00fdmi revizemi, kter\u00e9 by m\u011bly b\u00fdt zalo\u017een\u00e9 na progn\u00f3ze \u00famrtnosti v komorn\u00ed perspektiv\u011b, vych\u00e1zej\u00edc\u00ed ze zpr\u00e1vy o o\u010dek\u00e1van\u00e9m v\u00fdvoji \u00famrtnosti, plodnosti a migrace v \u010cesk\u00e9 republice. Vy u\u017e jste se toho dotkl, ale pros\u00edm, je\u0161t\u011b to vysv\u011btlete podrobn\u011bji.<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Fiala, katedra demografie, Fakulta informatiky a statistiky V\u0160E v Praze<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Ano, samoz\u0159ejm\u011b, jak jsem \u0159ekl, ta doba, pr\u016fm\u011brn\u00e1 doba pob\u00edr\u00e1n\u00ed d\u016fchod\u016f by se m\u011bla ur\u010dovat na z\u00e1klad\u011b budouc\u00ed \u00famrtnosti, ta se mus\u00ed ur\u010dovat na z\u00e1klad\u011b n\u011bjak\u00fdch progn\u00f3z, kter\u00e9 d\u011bl\u00e1 \u010cesk\u00fd statistick\u00fd \u00fa\u0159ad. Podle sou\u010dasn\u00e9ho zn\u011bn\u00ed z\u00e1kona to m\u00e1 \u010cesk\u00fd statistick\u00fd \u00fa\u0159ad prov\u00e1d\u011bt ka\u017ed\u00fdch 5 let. A byl tam n\u00e1vrh, aby lid\u00e9 str\u00e1vili v d\u016fchodu posledn\u00ed \u010dtvrtinu \u017eivota, ti, kte\u0159\u00ed se d\u016fchodu do\u017eij\u00ed. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee tam bylo zaji\u0161t\u011bno, kdy\u017e budou d\u00e9le pracovat, aby o n\u011bco d\u00e9le pob\u00edrali d\u016fchod, aby se uva\u017eovali nikoliv absolutn\u00ed, ale relativn\u00ed doba pob\u00edr\u00e1n\u00ed d\u016fchodu.<br \/><br \/>Roman Fojta, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Mimochodem, jak p\u0159esn\u00e9 jsou takov\u00e9hle progn\u00f3zy?<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Fiala, <br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Tak progn\u00f3zy \u00famrtnosti jsou pom\u011brn\u011b p\u0159esn\u00e9. A nav\u00edc, kdy\u017e se prov\u00e1d\u011bj\u00ed ka\u017ed\u00fdch 5 let revize, tak to lze v\u010das korigovat. Ale pokud nedojde k n\u011bjak\u00e9 katastrof\u011b, tak si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee ty progn\u00f3zy budou velmi p\u0159esn\u00e9. P\u0159edpokl\u00e1d\u00e1 se, \u017ee d\u00e9lka \u017eivota poroste, ale poroste st\u00e1le pomaleji.<br \/><br \/>Roman Fojta, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Vy o t\u011bch opat\u0159en\u00edch s ministerstvem debatujete, pokud se nem\u00fdl\u00edm, do jak\u00e9 m\u00edry va\u0161e p\u0159ipom\u00ednky reflektuje, p\u0159\u00edpadn\u011b pl\u00e1nuje zahrnout do sv\u00fdch n\u00e1vrh\u016f.<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Fiala, <br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Tak my jsme m\u011bli, my jsme m\u011bli jedno setk\u00e1n\u00ed s panem nebo se z\u00e1stupci ministerstva. Tam ov\u0161em u\u017e to bylo pom\u011brn\u011b pozd\u011b v dob\u011b, kdy u\u017e ten n\u00e1vrh byl odesl\u00e1n do vl\u00e1dy. Nicm\u00e9n\u011b je mo\u017en\u00e9, \u017ee dojde je\u0161t\u011b k n\u011bjak\u00e9 korekci.<br \/><br \/>Roman Fojta, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>St\u00e1rnut\u00ed populace nen\u00ed jenom probl\u00e9mem \u010cesk\u00e9 republiky. \u0158e\u0161\u00ed ho i dal\u0161\u00ed zem\u011b. Pokud jde o syst\u00e9m penz\u00ed, je n\u011bjak\u00fd p\u0159\u00edklad ze zahrani\u010d\u00ed, kter\u00fd bychom si mohli vz\u00edt za sv\u016fj, nebo vz\u00edt alespo\u0148 n\u011bkter\u00e9 my\u0161lenky z n\u011bj?<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Fiala, <br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Tak j\u00e1 si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee ka\u017ed\u00e1 zem\u011b m\u00e1 jin\u00fd penzijn\u00ed syst\u00e9m. Jsou zem\u011b, kde se \u010d\u00e1st penz\u00ed hrad\u00ed z dan\u00ed. Kde mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee by bylo i d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9 v pr\u016fb\u011b\u017en\u00e9m syst\u00e9mu, aby bylo v\u00edce ocen\u011bno, aby byla v\u00edce ocen\u011bna v\u00fdchova d\u011bt\u00ed, proto\u017ee i to je p\u0159\u00edsp\u011bvek do d\u016fchodov\u00e9ho syst\u00e9mu. A nav\u00edc se domn\u00edv\u00e1m, \u017ee v budoucnu bude muset z\u0159ejm\u011b doj\u00edt k reform\u011b penz\u00ed. Toto zat\u00edm jsou pouze kosmetick\u00e9 \u00fapravy, ale bude muset t\u0159eba doj\u00edt i k reform\u011b ekonomiky, aby do\u0161lo st\u00e1le. Zat\u00edmco v demografii se hovo\u0159\u00ed o tom, \u017ee je nutn\u00e9 zastavit r\u016fst populace, tak v ekonomii se st\u00e1le p\u0159edpokl\u00e1d\u00e1, \u017ee by ekonomika m\u011bl r\u016fst, a p\u0159itom i to je nebezpe\u010dn\u00e9 pro ekosyst\u00e9m, pro nevratn\u00e9 zm\u011bny. Tak\u017ee je mo\u017en\u00e9, \u017ee a\u017e dojde k n\u011bjak\u00e9mu p\u0159echodu ekonomick\u00e9ho syst\u00e9mu na ner\u016fstovou ekonomiku zalo\u017eenou na rovnom\u011brn\u011bj\u0161\u00edm rozd\u011blov\u00e1n\u00ed, efektivn\u011bj\u0161\u00edm vyu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1n\u00ed produkce, \u017ee dojde i k n\u011bjak\u00e9 skute\u010dn\u00e9 reform\u011b d\u016fchodov\u00e9ho syst\u00e9mu, kter\u00e1 zajist\u00ed d\u016fstojn\u00e9 d\u016fchody.<br \/><br \/>Roman Fojta, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>My jsme tady v \u00favodu, j\u00e1 jsem to \u010detl, sly\u0161eli jsme ty \u00fadaje, jak by se postupn\u011b mohly, m\u011bly podle progn\u00f3z zvy\u0161ovat po\u010dty penzist\u016f a\u017e do poloviny stolet\u00ed. Jak velkou m\u00edrou nejistoty, nep\u0159esnosti jsou takov\u00e9 p\u0159edpoklady zat\u00ed\u017een\u00e9?<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Fiala, <br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>J\u00e1 mysl\u00edm, \u017ee tyto p\u0159edpoklady jsou pom\u011brn\u011b jist\u00e9, proto\u017ee pokud nedojde k n\u011bjak\u00e9mu v\u00fdrazn\u00e9mu zv\u00fd\u0161en\u00ed \u00famrtnosti, tak se jedn\u00e1 o lidi, kte\u0159\u00ed jsou na\u017eivu. Jedn\u00e1 se o lidi ve vy\u0161\u0161\u00edm v\u011bku, tak\u017ee se ned\u00e1 p\u0159edpokl\u00e1dat, \u017ee by emigrovali do zahrani\u010d\u00ed, ani se ned\u00e1 p\u0159edpokl\u00e1dat, \u017ee by lid\u00e9, dal\u0161\u00ed lid\u00e9 tohoto v\u011bku k n\u00e1m p\u0159ich\u00e1zeli. Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b, \u010d\u00edm je vzd\u00e1len\u011bj\u0161\u00ed ten horizont, t\u00edm je v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed nejistota. Pokud by nap\u0159\u00edklad do\u0161lo k velk\u00e9mu p\u0159\u00edlivu lid\u00ed, \u0159ekn\u011bme, z Ukrajiny ve v\u011bku 40 let a z\u016fstali z n\u011bho, tak za 25 let budou penzist\u00e9.<br \/><br \/>Roman Fojta, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Jak v\u00fdrazn\u011b je mo\u017en\u00e9 pr\u00e1v\u011b ten demografick\u00fd v\u00fdvoj ovlivnit? A\u0165 u\u017e t\u0159eba prorodinnou politikou nebo \u0159\u00edzenou migrac\u00ed.<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Fiala, katedra demografie, Fakulta informatiky a statistiky V\u0160E v Praze<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Tak co se t\u00fd\u010de prorodinn\u00e9 politiky, tam je t\u0159eba, aby ta prorodinn\u00e1 politika fungovala dlouhodob\u011b, aby byla dob\u0159e na\u010dasov\u00e1na. To znamen\u00e1, aby do\u0161lo k podpo\u0159e porodnosti v dob\u011b, kdy jsou slab\u00e9 ro\u010dn\u00edky \u017een ve v\u011bku nejvy\u0161\u0161\u00ed plodnosti. To znamen\u00e1 v sou\u010dasn\u00e9 dob\u011b. A co se t\u00fd\u010de migrace, tam jde samoz\u0159ejm\u011b o to, aby se poda\u0159ilo ty lidi, aby ti lid\u00e9 by u n\u00e1s respektov\u00e1ni a sou\u010dasn\u011b se jim nastavili ur\u010dit\u00e9 hranice, aby nedoch\u00e1zelo ke konfliktu mezi na\u0161\u00ed populac\u00ed a populac\u00ed migrant\u016f. Jinak budeme se t\u00edm muset z\u0159ejm\u011b zab\u00fdvat, proto\u017ee podle sou\u010dasn\u00e9 progn\u00f3zy, pokud se m\u00e1 zachovat po\u010det obyvatel 10 milion\u016f, tak to znamen\u00e1 migra\u010dn\u00ed p\u0159\u00edr\u016fstek zhruba 35 tis\u00edc osob ka\u017ed\u00fd rok. To znamen\u00e1 3,5 milionu do konce stolet\u00ed.<br \/><br \/> moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>\u0158\u00edk\u00e1 demograf Tom\u00e1\u0161 Fiala. D\u011bkuju, \u017ee jste p\u0159i\u0161el, hezk\u00fd ve\u010der v\u00e1m p\u0159eju.<br \/><br \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div class=\"mh-excerpt\"><p>\u010cT24 Na konci roku 2023 bylo v \u010cesku skoro 2 400 000 lid\u00ed, kte\u0159\u00ed pob\u00edrali starobn\u00ed d\u016fchod. 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