{"id":54793,"date":"2025-02-18T08:30:14","date_gmt":"2025-02-18T07:30:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=54793"},"modified":"2025-02-18T08:58:20","modified_gmt":"2025-02-18T07:58:20","slug":"je-adhd-naduzivanou-modni-zalezitosti","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=54793","title":{"rendered":"Je ADHD nadu\u017e\u00edvanou m\u00f3dn\u00ed z\u00e1le\u017eitost\u00ed?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>\u00a0\u010cRo Plus\u00a0&#8211; Pro a proti<br \/><br \/>Pokud chcete rozv\u00ed\u0159it plamennou diskuzi na soci\u00e1ln\u00edch s\u00edt\u00edch, sta\u010d\u00ed napsat \u010dty\u0159i p\u00edsmena ADHD. Po\u010det diagn\u00f3z t\u00e9to poruchy chov\u00e1n\u00ed a soust\u0159ed\u011bn\u00ed stoup\u00e1 v cel\u00e9m z\u00e1padn\u00edm sv\u011bt\u011b, \u010cesko nevyj\u00edmaje. \u010c\u00e1st ve\u0159ejnosti, v\u010detn\u011b t\u00e9 odborn\u00e9, m\u00e1 podez\u0159en\u00ed, \u017ee jde o nadu\u017e\u00edvanou m\u00f3dn\u00ed z\u00e1le\u017eitost. A druh\u00e1 \u010d\u00e1st naopak varuje p\u0159ed podce\u0148ov\u00e1n\u00edm syndromu, kter\u00fd m\u016f\u017ee lidem zp\u016fsobit velk\u00e9 utrpen\u00ed. Dost\u00e1v\u00e1 se diagn\u00f3zy ADHD i lidem, kter\u00fdm ve skute\u010dnosti nep\u0159\u00edslu\u0161\u00ed? Anebo naopak z\u016fst\u00e1v\u00e1 \u0159ada p\u0159\u00edpad\u016f neodhalen\u00e1? Hosty dne\u0161n\u00edho Pro a proti jsou p\u0159edseda Asociace d\u011btsk\u00e9 a dorostov\u00e9 psychiatrie Tom\u00e1\u0161 Havelka.<br \/>A se mnou ve studiu je tady d\u011btsk\u00fd psycholog Petr Kl\u00edma. Dobr\u00fd den.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>P\u00e1nov\u00e9, je ADHD nadu\u017e\u00edvan\u00e1 diagn\u00f3za nebo ne, pane Havelko?<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Havelka, p\u0159edseda Asociace d\u011btsk\u00e9 a dorostov\u00e9 psychiatrie<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Tak j\u00e1 se p\u0159izn\u00e1m, \u017ee nev\u00edm, jak \u0161irok\u00e9 ve\u0159ejnosti, co se t\u00fd\u010de t\u00e9 odborn\u00e9 ve\u0159ejnosti d\u011btsk\u00fdch psychiatr\u016f, tam ta diagnostika je, bych \u0159ekl, velmi precizn\u00ed a rok od roku se zlep\u0161uje a ADHD je velkou \u010d\u00e1st na\u0161\u00ed pr\u00e1ce. Tak\u017ee to, \u017ee diagnostikujeme n\u011bkdy fale\u0161n\u011b pozitivn\u011b, nebo fale\u0161n\u011b negativn\u011b, to se st\u00e1v\u00e1 jako ve v\u0161ech oborech, ale na\u0161t\u011bst\u00ed zejm\u00e9na u t\u00e9to diagn\u00f3zy je to pom\u011brn\u011b vz\u00e1cn\u00e9.<br \/><br \/>moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Pane Kl\u00edmo, jak to vid\u00edte vy, je ADHD nadu\u017e\u00edvan\u00e1 diagn\u00f3za?<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, d\u011btsk\u00fd psycholog<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>J\u00e1 si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee ano. J\u00e1 dokonce n\u011bkdy \u0159\u00edk\u00e1m, \u017ee je to sb\u011brn\u00fd ko\u0161 na\u0161\u00ed bezradnosti, jako pejsek s ko\u010di\u010dkou, kdy\u017e nam\u00edchali v\u0161ecko dohromady, kdy si nev\u00edme rady s celou \u0159adu p\u0159\u00edznak\u016f a zast\u0159e\u0161ujeme to ADHD. J\u00e1 pamatuju, za\u010d\u00e1tkem sedmdes\u00e1t\u00fdch let byl pojem lehk\u00e1 d\u011btsk\u00e1 encefalopatie, to nezn\u011blo hezky, pak to byla minim\u00e1ln\u00ed mozkov\u00e1 dysfunkce, lehk\u00e1 mozkov\u00e1 dysfunkce, kdy\u017e rodi\u010d\u016fm \u0159ekli, \u017ee maj\u00ed dysfunkci, tak je to hodn\u011b popla\u0161ilo. ADHD, je to st\u00e1le stejn\u00fd probl\u00e9m.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Pane Havelko, m\u016f\u017ee to tak b\u00fdt? Je to sb\u011brn\u00fd ko\u0161 na\u0161\u00ed bezradnosti, jak to nazval Petr Kl\u00edma?<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Havelka, p\u0159edseda Asociace d\u011btsk\u00e9 a dorostov\u00e9 psychiatrie<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>No, v\u00edte, m\u016f\u017ee i nemus\u00ed. Ka\u017ed\u00fd \u017eijeme v n\u011bjak\u00fd bublin\u011b. Mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee co se t\u00fd\u010de \u0161kolsk\u00fdch psycholog\u016f a poradensk\u00fdch za\u0159\u00edzen\u00ed, tam to takhle m\u016f\u017eou ur\u010dit\u011b vn\u00edmat, nebo m\u016f\u017ee to tak ur\u010dit\u011b b\u00fdt. Jin\u00e1 v\u011bc je, kdy\u017e se to d\u00edt\u011b u\u017e dostane jako k odborn\u00edkovi, kter\u00fd to m\u00e1 diagnostikovat, to znamen\u00e1 d\u011btsk\u00fd a dorostov\u00fd psychiatr, a tam si nem\u016f\u017eeme dovolit d\u011blat n\u011bjak\u00fd sb\u011brn\u00fd ko\u0161e a d\u011blat jenom n\u00e1lepky a pau\u0161alizovat, tak\u017ee tam ta diagnostika mus\u00ed b\u00fdt opravdu p\u0159esn\u00e1, \u0159ekl bych, jako precizn\u00ed, ale m\u016f\u017eou to b\u00fdt prost\u011b dva jin\u00fd sv\u011bty.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>M\u016f\u017eou, pane Kl\u00edmo, \u017ee ka\u017ed\u00fd vlastn\u011b si pod t\u00edm p\u0159edstavuje n\u011bco jin\u00e9ho, by\u0165 m\u016f\u017ee v ka\u017ed\u00e9m tom p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b j\u00edt o odborn\u00edka na d\u011btskou du\u0161i, ale ka\u017ed\u00fd v tom vid\u00ed n\u011bco jin\u00e9ho, v t\u00e9 diagn\u00f3ze ADHD.<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, d\u011btsk\u00fd psycholog<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Ta diagnostika psychiatrick\u00e1 je patrn\u011b i jinak poj\u00edman\u00e1, \u0161koln\u00ed psychologov\u00e9 poraden\u0161t\u00ed maj\u00ed mo\u017enosti to d\u00edt\u011b vid\u011bt ve v\u00fduce, maj\u00ed \u010das i 3 hodiny pracovat s d\u00edt\u011btem. A pan prim\u00e1\u0159 mi mo\u017en\u00e1 promine, ale cel\u00e1 \u0159ada rodi\u010d\u016f, kdy\u017e jdou k psychiatrovi s ADHD, tak tvrd\u00ed, \u017ee tam str\u00e1v\u00ed 5 minut a jsou dot\u00e1z\u00e1ni, jestli jim je l\u00edp nebo h\u016f\u0159, bu\u010f se jim m\u011bn\u00ed nebo nem\u011bn\u00ed medikace. Ne\u0159\u00edk\u00e1m, \u017ee to tak je v\u0161ude, ale velmi \u010dasto se s t\u00edm setk\u00e1v\u00e1m.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>D\u011btsk\u00fd psycholog V\u00e1clav Mertin \u0159ekl v na\u0161em vys\u00edl\u00e1n\u00ed a te\u010f cituji: &#8222;J\u00e1 bych tu diagn\u00f3zu skoro zru\u0161il, ale muselo by n\u00e1sledovat to, \u017ee s d\u011btmi, kter\u00e9 se nesoust\u0159ed\u00ed, budeme pracovat doma,&#8220; konec cit\u00e1tu. Pane Kl\u00edmo, jak bl\u00edzk\u00fd je v\u00e1m tento n\u00e1zor?<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, d\u011btsk\u00fd psycholog<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Je mi to hodn\u011b bl\u00edzk\u00fd, proto\u017ee v tom poradenstv\u00ed jsem d\u011blal 47 let, tak\u017ee tu kontinuitu a ty v\u0161ecky n\u00e1lepky ve \u0161kolstv\u00ed, v\u010detn\u011b ADHD, s sebou p\u0159in\u00e1\u0161\u00ed jedno velk\u00fd riziko, \u017ee d\u00edt\u011b i rodi\u010d \u0159\u00edkaj\u00ed, my m\u00e1me poruchu. Je to n\u00e1lepka, kter\u00e1 nevede k aktivit\u011b, sni\u017euje aktivitu, \u010dili i jin\u00fdch dysfunkc\u00ed ve \u0161kolstv\u00ed to nevede k tomu, abysme s t\u00edm probl\u00e9mem pracovali, ale abychom mo\u017en\u00e1 se za n\u011bj schov\u00e1vali.<br \/><br \/> moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>\u017de se na to lid\u00e9 vymlouvaj\u00ed.<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, <br \/>Ur\u010dit\u011b.<br \/><br \/> moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Pane prim\u00e1\u0159i, m\u016f\u017ee to tak b\u00fdt, nebo je vlastn\u011b ADHD jasn\u011b vymezen\u00e1 porucha s jednozna\u010dn\u00fdmi symptomy, kterou je v\u017edycky mo\u017en\u00e9 jednozna\u010dn\u011b diagnostikovat?<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Havelka, p\u0159edseda Asociace d\u011btsk\u00e9 a dorostov\u00e9 psychiatrie<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>V\u00edte, ta \u0161ed\u00e1 z\u00f3na bude v\u017edycky v\u0161ude v cel\u00fd medic\u00edn\u011b, u ADHD na\u0161t\u011bst\u00ed ta \u0161ed\u00e1 z\u00f3na, kdy si nejsme jisti, je velmi mal\u00e1, ta diagnostika je opravdu precizn\u00ed. A co se t\u00fd\u010de kontrol, kter\u00fd jsou samoz\u0159ejm\u011b v\u017edycky krat\u0161\u00ed, j\u00e1 douf\u00e1m, \u017ee neexistuje pracovi\u0161t\u011b, kde byly ty kontroly p\u011btiminutov\u00e9, jak to \u0159\u00edkal kolega, ale to prvn\u00ed vy\u0161et\u0159en\u00ed je dlouh\u00fd, a tam vy\u0161et\u0159ujeme to d\u00edt\u011b, mluv\u00edme s t\u00edm rodi\u010dem, chceme informace od \u0161koly, od poradensk\u00fdch za\u0159\u00edzen\u00ed, st\u00e1le \u010dast\u011bji vyu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1me nov\u00e9 \u0161k\u00e1ly jako Conners 3, te\u010fka m\u00e1me novou revizi \u0161k\u00e1ly BRIEF, tak\u017ee ta diagnostika je opravdu precizn\u00ed a dovol\u00edm si tvrdit, \u017ee p\u0159esn\u00e1. A to, abysme to d\u00edt\u011b zdiagnostikovali, tak nen\u00ed proto, abychom mu dali n\u00e1lepku nebo dokonce omluvenku, to je za\u010d\u00e1tek cesty ke zlep\u0161en\u00ed toho \u017eivota a aby to d\u00edt\u011b mohlo fungovat tak jako v\u0161echny nebo v\u011bt\u0161ina ostatn\u00edch d\u011bt\u00ed, to znamen\u00e1 bez omezen\u00ed. A kdy\u017e nap\u0159\u00edklad rodi\u010de p\u0159ijdou, st\u00e1v\u00e1 se to te\u010fka u\u017e \u010d\u00edm d\u00e1l m\u00ed\u0148, \u017ee \u0159eknou, no, my jsme tady jenom jednou, abyste n\u00e1m potvrdil diagn\u00f3zu, abysme dostali asistenta pedagoga, proto\u017ee na\u0161e d\u00edt\u011b m\u00e1 ADHD, tak j\u00e1 jim \u0159\u00edk\u00e1m, tak takhle ne. Asistent pedagoga m\u016f\u017ee pomoct, ale v mnoha p\u0159\u00edpadech m\u016f\u017ee i \u0161kodit. A \u0159e\u0161en\u00edm nen\u00ed omluva nebo \u00faleva, ale to \u0159e\u0161en\u00ed ADHD je \u00fapln\u011b jin\u00fd, a tak je pot\u0159eba \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee ti rodi\u010de potom, kdy\u017e se to s nima velmi citliv\u011b probere, tak oni maj\u00ed velik\u00e1nsk\u00fd v\u00fd\u010ditky a necht\u011bj\u00ed to \u010dasto \u0159e\u0161it, necht\u011bj\u00ed sly\u0161et o t\u00fd diagn\u00f3ze a jak se to \u0159e\u0161\u00ed, proto\u017ee \u010dasto jsou v podstat\u011b ty v\u00fd\u010ditky, ale mo\u017en\u00e1 kolega k tomu n\u011bco \u0159ekne d\u00e1l. J\u00e1 bych pak zase nav\u00e1zal.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>M\u011b by zaj\u00edmalo, jestli podle va\u0161eho soudu by nepomohlo k jist\u00e9mu vyjasn\u011bn\u00ed cel\u00e9 situace, kdyby se omezil po\u010det t\u011bch instituc\u00ed, nebo respektive tedy odborn\u00edk\u016f, kte\u0159\u00ed m\u016f\u017eou ADHD diagnostikovat, co kdyby to prost\u011b sm\u011bli d\u011blat jenom psychiat\u0159i, pane Kl\u00edmo?<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, d\u011btsk\u00fd psycholog<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Ano, j\u00e1 pamatuju p\u0159edch\u016fdce pana kolegy Havelky, mysl\u00edm, \u017ee jsem jmenoval, pan doktor Matys, kter\u00fd \u0159\u00edkal, tohle je n\u00e1\u0161 prostor, do toho se neple\u0165te. Takhle to teda bylo.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>A bylo by to k n\u011b\u010demu, bylo by to u\u017eite\u010dn\u00e9, kdyby teda tu diagn\u00f3zu sm\u011bl stanovit jenom l\u00e9ka\u0159 psychiatr?<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, d\u011btsk\u00fd psycholog<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>J\u00e1 si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee my v tom m\u016f\u017eeme taky sv\u00e9 sehr\u00e1t, ale to nadu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1n\u00ed&#8230;. J\u00e1 m\u00e1m pocit, \u017ee jak tady byl pan doktor Mertin, tak i u v\u00e1s v redakci by se na\u0161la cel\u00e1 \u0159ada lid\u00ed, kte\u0159\u00ed zjist\u00ed najednou, \u017ee maj\u00ed ADHD, tak\u017ee to nadu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1n\u00ed je pom\u011brn\u011b siln\u00fd. Taky m\u00e1m u\u010ditelku, kter\u00e1, kdy\u017e dostane novou t\u0159\u00eddu, tak mi po\u0161le 5 d\u011bt\u00ed s ADHD, a pak m\u00e1m u\u010ditelku, se kterou jsem 30 let spolupracoval, v \u017eivot\u011b mi kv\u016fli tomu neposlala jedin\u00fd d\u00edt\u011b, zdrav\u00edm pan\u00ed u\u010ditelku Radku, tu\u0161\u00edm, m\u00e1m pocit, \u017ee ani po\u0159\u00e1dn\u011b nev\u011bd\u011bla, co to je a hlavn\u011b j\u00ed to nezaj\u00edmalo.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>A mysl\u00edte, \u017ee to je tedy takov\u00e9to sebe se potvrzuj\u00edc\u00ed proroctv\u00ed, \u017ee kdy\u017e se o tom za\u010dne hodn\u011b mluvit, tak \u010dlov\u011bk na sob\u011b vypozoruje symptomy?<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, d\u011btsk\u00fd psycholog<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Jednak \u010d\u00e1ste\u010dn\u011b tohle, ale \u010d\u00e1ste\u010dn\u011b to, \u017ee v tom \u0161kolstv\u00ed, to \u0159\u00edkal pan prim\u00e1\u0159 spr\u00e1vn\u011b, se to vyu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1, j\u00e1 to v\u00edm dob\u0159e, k v\u00fdhod\u00e1m. Tak\u017ee mn\u011b t\u0159eba volala i maminka kluka, kter\u00fd studoval \u010de\u0161tinu a u st\u00e1tnic neusp\u011bl a cht\u011bla, jestli bych mohl napsat potvrzen\u00ed, \u017ee u m\u011b byl ve druh\u00fd t\u0159\u00edd\u011b.<br \/><br \/>moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Pane Havelko, je\u0161t\u011b bych se r\u00e1d vr\u00e1til i k t\u00e9 ot\u00e1zce, kdo by vlastn\u011b m\u011bl stanovovat tu diagn\u00f3zu? Byl byste pro, aby to byli jen va\u0161i kolegov\u00e9 psychiat\u0159i?<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Havelka, p\u0159edseda Asociace d\u011btsk\u00e9 a dorostov\u00e9 psychiatrie<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>V\u00edte, ta ot\u00e1zka je d\u00e1vno vy\u0159e\u0161en\u00e1, prost\u011b tuhle tu diagn\u00f3zu m\u016f\u017eou stanovovat pouze d\u011bt\u0161t\u00ed psychiat\u0159i, to je l\u00e9ka\u0159sk\u00e1 diagn\u00f3za, jako nap\u0159\u00edklad cukrovka, astma. Tak\u017ee j\u00e1 bych to vid\u011bl takhle, \u0159\u00edk\u00e1m to t\u011bm lidem, asi bych doporu\u010dil pedagogick\u00fdm za\u0159\u00edzen\u00edm nebo i u\u010ditel\u016fm, j\u00e1 to takhle doporu\u010duju, pokud p\u0159ijde n\u011bjak\u00fd rodi\u010d a \u0159ekne, moje d\u00edt\u011b m\u00e1 ADHD a p\u0159\u00edpadn\u011b dokonce chce n\u011bjak\u00e9 \u00falevy, tak \u0159\u00edk\u00e1&#8230;<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Nebo\u00a0<strong>l\u00e9ky<\/strong>\u00a0t\u0159eba.<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Havelka, <br \/>&#8230;m\u00e1 to podez\u0159en\u00ed na&#8230;, jist\u011b, a \u0159\u00edct tomu rodi\u010di, pokud m\u00e1te podez\u0159en\u00ed na tuto diagn\u00f3zu, byli jste u l\u00e9ka\u0159e, prob\u00edh\u00e1 adekv\u00e1tn\u00ed l\u00e9\u010dba? To je prost\u011b nemoc jako ka\u017ed\u00e1 jin\u00e1.<br \/><br \/>moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/> D\u00e1 se, pane Havelko, v\u017edycky rozeznat, zda jde o d\u00edt\u011b s ADHD, anebo zda to je d\u00edt\u011b, kter\u00e9mu se nedost\u00e1v\u00e1 dostate\u010dn\u011b d\u016fsledn\u00e9 v\u00fdchovy?<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Havelka, <br \/>No, tak n\u011bkdy to m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt i nakombinovan\u00fd samoz\u0159ejm\u011b, i kdy\u017e \u010dast\u011bji bych \u0159ekl, \u017ee ne, \u017ee n\u011bkdy se to m\u016f\u017ee tak jako zam\u011b\u0148ovat, ale jak jsem \u0159ekl, ta diagnostika v sou\u010dasnosti u\u017e je velmi precizn\u00ed.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Pane Kl\u00edmo, st\u00e1le tomu nev\u011b\u0159\u00edte, \u017ee ta diagnostika je velmi precizn\u00ed a \u017ee se to d\u00e1 opravdu stanovit, to d\u00edt\u011b m\u00e1\/nem\u00e1 ADHD.<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, d\u011btsk\u00fd psycholog<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>J\u00e1 poslouch\u00e1m pana prim\u00e1\u0159e a d\u00e1v\u00e1m mu asi za pravdu, dokonce m\u011b p\u0159esv\u011bd\u010duje pomalinku. Ale tady je taky v\u011bc, j\u00e1 ten pojem nepou\u017e\u00edv\u00e1m, j\u00e1 popisuju projevy, popisuju chov\u00e1n\u00ed, je to takov\u00fd rozm\u011bln\u011bn\u00ed. A samoz\u0159ejm\u011b si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee ta diagn\u00f3za, to k t\u011bm psychiatr\u016fm pat\u0159\u00ed, proto\u017ee to je jasn\u00fd, ale kdy\u017e p\u0159ijde n\u011bkdo s podez\u0159en\u00edm na ADHD, j\u00e1 ho po\u0161lu za psychiatrem, ale tam se dostane za 4 m\u011bs\u00edce, tak on nebude cht\u00edt \u010dekat a pracujeme s n\u00edm i my, by\u0165 mo\u017en\u00e1 ne tak dob\u0159e jako d\u011bt\u0161t\u00ed psychiat\u0159i.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Jak\u00e9 je riziko neodhalen\u00e9 ADHD, pokud n\u011bkdo t\u0159eba z t\u011bch term\u00ednov\u00fdch d\u016fvod\u016f se nedostane v\u010das k d\u011btsk\u00e9mu psychiatrovi, pane Havelko.<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Havelka, p\u0159edseda Asociace d\u011btsk\u00e9 a dorostov\u00e9 psychiatrie<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>V\u00edte, ta v\u010dasnost, to je opravdu t\u00e9ma jako neoddiskutovateln\u00fd, akor\u00e1t u toho ADHD je to relativn\u00ed, proto\u017ee ty probl\u00e9my \u010dasto trvaj\u00ed roky a \u010dasto budou trvat roky, p\u0159\u00edpadn\u011b des\u00edtky let, tak\u017ee je d\u016fle\u017eit\u00fd, aby ta l\u00e9\u010dba za\u010dala. A pokud za\u010dne, j\u00e1 nev\u00edm, za 3 nebo za 5 m\u011bs\u00edc\u016f, tak je to ur\u010dit\u011b mnohem lep\u0161\u00ed, ne\u017e kdy\u017e neza\u010dne v\u016fbec.<br \/><br \/>moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>M\u016f\u017ee d\u011btem s p\u0159\u00edznaky ADHD, tou rozt\u011bkanost\u00ed, hyperaktivitou pomoci, kdy\u017e dosp\u011bl\u00ed v jeho okol\u00ed zm\u011bn\u00ed p\u0159\u00edstup?<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Havelka, <br \/>Ten p\u0159\u00edstup je ur\u010dit\u011b velmi d\u016fle\u017eitej, jako komplexn\u00ed p\u0159\u00edstup, obecn\u011b d\u011btsk\u00fd psychiatr je v podstat\u011b kl\u00ed\u010dovej, akor\u00e1t si mus\u00edme \u0159\u00edct, u jak\u00e9 diagn\u00f3zy je co d\u016fle\u017eit\u011bj\u0161\u00ed. A j\u00e1 te\u010f \u0159eknu n\u011bco, co nemus\u00ed b\u00fdt moc popul\u00e1rn\u00ed, ale ADHD je prim\u00e1rn\u011b l\u00e9kov\u00e1 diagn\u00f3za, tam ty\u00a0<strong>l\u00e9ky<\/strong>\u00a0prost\u011b hraj\u00ed majoritn\u00ed roli v tom \u00fasp\u011bchu. Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b nem\u016f\u017eeme bagatelizovat psychoterapii, re\u017eimov\u00e1, podp\u016frn\u00e1 opat\u0159en\u00ed, ale bez t\u011bch\u00a0<strong>l\u00e9k\u016f<\/strong>\u00a0\u010dasto prost\u011b se nedostaneme v\u016fbec d\u00e1l. Je to diagn\u00f3za, kde ta p\u0159\u00ed\u010dina nen\u00ed v\u00fdchovn\u00e1, nen\u00ed to vliv, \u017ee by d\u00edt\u011b dost\u00e1valo jako v\u00edc &#8222;cukru&#8220; v prvn\u00edch letech \u017eivota, rodi\u010de m\u011bli n\u011bjakou volnou v\u00fdchovu, j\u00e1 tady nechci bagatelizovat v\u00fdchovn\u00fd p\u0159\u00edstup, ta v\u00fdchova a styl v\u00fdchovy, zejm\u00e9na v dne\u0161n\u00ed dob\u011b, je stra\u0161n\u011b d\u016fle\u017eit\u00fd, ale nesm\u00edme na to sv\u00e1d\u011bt v\u0161echno, stejn\u011b tak jako na soci\u00e1ln\u00ed s\u00edt\u011b nap\u0159\u00edklad. A diagn\u00f3za ADHD, ty p\u0159\u00ed\u010diny ADHD jsou ne zcela ve v\u0161em zn\u00e1m\u00fd, ale to, co v\u00edme jist\u011b, a to, co je nejd\u016fle\u017eit\u011bj\u0161\u00ed, je, \u017ee to je diagn\u00f3za genetick\u00e1 a d\u011bdi\u010dn\u00e1. A my ty rodi\u010de mus\u00edme i vyvi\u0148ovat, proto\u017ee ti rodi\u010de \u010dasto se c\u00edt\u00ed velmi vinni za to, \u017ee jejich d\u00edt\u011b je kritizovan\u00fd spolu\u017e\u00e1kama, kritizovan\u00fd u\u010ditelem a kritizovan\u00fd rodi\u010dema dal\u0161\u00edch spolu\u017e\u00e1k\u016f a ti rodi\u010de, a\u010d to ne\u0159eknou napoprv\u00fd, tak si to stra\u0161n\u011b vy\u010d\u00edtaj\u00ed a mysl\u00ed si, \u017ee to zp\u016fsobili oni. Ne, nezp\u016fsobili to oni. Je to prost\u011b vrozen\u00fd genetick\u00fd onemocn\u011bn\u00ed.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Pane Kl\u00edmo, je to teda i z va\u0161eho pohledu, jak to \u0159\u00edkal pan prim\u00e1\u0159 Havelka, l\u00e9kov\u00e1 diagn\u00f3za a \u017ee to nen\u00ed tedy n\u011bco, kde by sta\u010dilo t\u0159eba nastavit n\u011bjak\u00e9 p\u0159esn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed mantinely ve v\u00fdchov\u011b?<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, <br \/>Pan prim\u00e1\u0159 \u0159\u00edk\u00e1, \u017ee to je prim\u00e1rn\u011b l\u00e9kov\u00fd, tak t\u00edm p\u00e1dem je jasn\u00fd, \u017ee to pat\u0159\u00ed do ranku d\u011btsk\u00e9 psychiatrie. J\u00e1 si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee tomu m\u016f\u017eeme taky hodn\u011b pomoct, ale nemus\u00edme to naz\u00fdvat ADHD, m\u016f\u017eeme pracovat s p\u0159\u00edznaky, kter\u00fd v podstat\u011b jsou ADHD.<br \/><br \/>moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>No, a jak z\u00e1sadn\u00ed tedy podle v\u00e1s je ten p\u0159\u00edstup okol\u00ed, ten p\u0159\u00edstup dosp\u011bl\u00fdch, hovo\u0159\u00edte o p\u0159\u00edznac\u00edch, jak se s t\u011bmi p\u0159\u00edznaky d\u00e1 pracovat tedy?<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, d\u011btsk\u00fd psycholog<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Tak d\u00edt\u011b m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt t\u0159eba nesoust\u0159ed\u011bn\u00fd z mnoha jin\u00fdch d\u016fvod\u016f, m\u016f\u017ee m\u00edt \u0161patn\u00fd re\u017eim, m\u016f\u017ee m\u00edt hor\u0161\u00ed dom\u00e1c\u00ed prost\u0159ed\u00ed, m\u016f\u017ee m\u00edt p\u0159\u00edsnou u\u010ditelku, m\u016f\u017ee m\u00e1lo sp\u00e1t, m\u016f\u017ee m\u00edt m\u00e1lo pohybu, krat\u0161\u00ed doba koncentrace, ve \u0161kole nen\u00ed respektov\u00e1no, \u017ee m\u00e1 ur\u010dit\u00e9 obt\u00ed\u017ee. S t\u00edmhle lze pracovat. Ale pan prim\u00e1\u0159 si mysl\u00ed, a nen\u00ed d\u016fvod mu to nev\u011b\u0159it, \u017ee je to l\u00e9kov\u00e1 z\u00e1le\u017eitost, ale te\u010fka mus\u00edm \u0159\u00edct jm\u00e9no, kter\u00fd asi leckoho pobou\u0159\u00ed, ale pan Radkin Honz\u00e1k to tak nevid\u00ed, pan MUDr., psychiatr.<br \/><br \/>moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Psychiatr Radkin Honz\u00e1k, v\u0161ichni toto jm\u00e9no samoz\u0159ejm\u011b zn\u00e1me. Pane Havelko, dok\u00e1\u017ee psychiatr odfiltrovat ty jin\u00e9 d\u016fvody, kter\u00e9 te\u010f popsal Petr Kl\u00edma pro to nesoust\u0159ed\u011bn\u00ed a pro tu hyperaktivitu d\u00edt\u011bte, kdy\u017e se to d\u00edt\u011b u\u017e dostane tedy k psychiatrovi, dok\u00e1\u017ee ten l\u00e9ka\u0159 \u0159\u00edci, to jsou tyhle ty jin\u00e9 d\u016fvody, anebo je to ADHD?<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Havelka, p\u0159edseda Asociace d\u011btsk\u00e9 a dorostov\u00e9 psychiatrie<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Ve v\u011bt\u0161in\u011b p\u0159\u00edpad\u016f ano. Jak jsem mluvil o t\u011bch \u0161ed\u00fdch z\u00f3n\u00e1ch, jsou diagn\u00f3zy, kter\u00fd jsou mnohem n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed na diagnostiku a kde ta \u0161ed\u00e1 z\u00f3na je v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed, u toho ADHD na\u0161t\u011bst\u00ed u\u017e tolik ne.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>A z\u00e1sadn\u00ed pro tu, moc se omlouv\u00e1m, pane doktore, \u017ee do toho sk\u00e1\u010du, ale z\u00e1sadn\u00ed pro tu diagn\u00f3zu je teda, co, jak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem se na to p\u0159ich\u00e1z\u00ed?<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Havelka, <br \/>Tam jsou kl\u00ed\u010dov\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edznaky, ta diagnostika je fakt komplexn\u00ed, j\u00e1 nev\u00edm, jestli to dok\u00e1\u017eu takhle ve zkratce \u0159\u00edct, kdy jsou d\u016fle\u017eit\u00fd anamnestick\u00fd \u00fadaje, aktu\u00e1ln\u00ed obt\u00ed\u017ee, potom m\u00e1me ty velmi citliv\u00fd \u0161k\u00e1ly, to jsou dotazn\u00edky, \u0159eknu zjednodu\u0161en\u011b, dotazn\u00edky, kter\u00fd se pos\u00edlaj\u00ed u\u010ditel\u016fm, rodi\u010di nebo ob\u011bma rodi\u010d\u016fm, d\u00edt\u011b to vypl\u0148uje, p\u0159\u00edpadn\u011b oslovujeme d\u011btsk\u00e9ho klinick\u00e9ho psychologa v p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b n\u011bjak\u00fdch nejasnost\u00ed, to je velmi d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e1 odbornost pro n\u00e1s, o tom jsem je\u0161t\u011b nemluvil, samoz\u0159ejm\u011b zpr\u00e1vy od pedagogicko-psychologick\u00fdch poraden, speci\u00e1ln\u011b pedagogick\u00fdch center jsou extr\u00e9mn\u011b d\u016fle\u017eit\u00fd, tak\u017ee ten pohled je opravdu komplexn\u00ed. A hlavn\u00ed takov\u00e1 diagn\u00f3za, kterou bychom m\u011bli odd\u011blit a kter\u00e1 te\u010fka je \u010dast\u00e1, to jsou \u00fazkostn\u00e9 poruchy nebo \u00fazkostn\u011b depresivn\u00ed poruchy, kde to d\u00edt\u011b se tak\u00e9 nesoust\u0159ed\u00ed, ale ten projev je jin\u00fd a ta anamn\u00e9za je \u010dasto jin\u00e1 a tam u\u017e hraje ur\u010dit\u011b v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed roli ta v\u00fdchova, nebo pokud chceme b\u00fdt popul\u00e1rn\u00ed, tak \u0159\u00edkat voln\u00e1 v\u00fdchova, co\u017e tu volnou v\u00fdchovu vn\u00edm\u00e1me v sou\u010dasnosti jako velk\u00fd probl\u00e9m, ale nikoliv tolik u ADHD, jako sp\u00ed\u0161 u jin\u00fdch symptom\u016f, jak u\u017e jsem \u0159\u00edkal, \u00fazkostn\u011b depresivn\u00ed problematika, sebepo\u0161kozov\u00e1n\u00ed a tak d\u00e1le.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Pane Kl\u00edmo, ta diagnostika, jak j\u00ed popsal te\u010f Tom\u00e1\u0161 Havelka, je z va\u0161eho pohledu dostate\u010dn\u011b robustn\u00ed, kdy\u017e se takhle prost\u011b ten l\u00e9ka\u0159 p\u0159ept\u00e1 ve \u0161kole psycholog\u016f, rodi\u010d\u016f?<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, <br \/>My k tomu fakt m\u00e1me bl\u00ed\u017e, my ty d\u011bti vid\u00edme, j\u00e1 te\u010fka d\u011bl\u00e1m i na \u0161kole tro\u0161inku, to ten kontakt je \u00fapln\u011b jinej, ty projevy chov\u00e1n\u00ed jsou teda \u00fapln\u011b jin\u00fd, ale je-li ADHD jasn\u011b psychiatrick\u00e1 diagn\u00f3za, tak pak bych v\u016fbec nemluvil o nadu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1n\u00ed, proto\u017ee cel\u00e1 \u0159ada d\u011bt\u00ed, kter\u00fd k n\u00e1m p\u0159ich\u00e1zej\u00ed s podez\u0159en\u00edm na ADHD, medikovan\u00fd nejsou a u psychiatra nejsou, tak\u017ee nadu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1n\u00ed, pokud bychom vzali jenom ty, kte\u0159\u00ed chod\u00ed k psychiatrovi a berou medikaci, tak nen\u00ed nadu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1na.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Pro\u010d to tak nen\u00ed? Pro\u010d si mysl\u00edte, \u017ee tedy st\u00e1le se o ADHD mluv\u00ed i o jin\u00fdch p\u0159\u00edpadech, nejen u t\u011bch, kte\u0159\u00ed jsou l\u00e9\u010deni u psychiatra?<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, d\u011btsk\u00fd psycholog<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Tak ne ka\u017ed\u00fd rodi\u010d chce, aby jeho d\u00edt\u011b bylo l\u00e9\u010den\u00fd na psychiatrii, je to pro n\u011bj ur\u010dit\u00fd stigma, anebo se domn\u00edv\u00e1, \u017ee to zvl\u00e1dne v\u00fdchovn\u00fdmi prost\u0159edky, t\u0159eba za pomoci n\u00e1s a ur\u010dit\u011b u\u010ditelky.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>No, a kdo jim teda \u0159ekl, \u017ee maj\u00ed ADHD, kdy\u017e to nebyl psychiatr?<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, d\u011btsk\u00fd psycholog<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Ve \u0161kole jim to \u0159eknou ka\u017edou chv\u00edli, se nesoust\u0159ed\u00ed. To m\u00e1te jako s autismem, d\u00edt\u011b je v kout\u011b, je \u00fazkostn\u00fd, hraje si chv\u00edli samo a dneska u\u017e je autista.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Pane Havelko, j\u00e1 teda nechci, aby to zn\u011blo n\u011bjak cynicky, ale to skoro vypad\u00e1, jako kdyby tady byly dv\u011b skupiny ADHD, jedna ta skute\u010dn\u00e1, kter\u00e1 m\u00e1 diagn\u00f3zu od psychiatr\u016f a pak je jak\u00e1si jin\u00e1, \u0161ir\u0161\u00ed, mnohem nejasn\u011bji definovan\u00e1, kter\u00fdm prost\u011b n\u011bkdo jin\u00fd \u0159ekl, \u017ee maj\u00ed ADHD, jak tomu rozum\u011bt?<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Havelka, p\u0159edseda Asociace d\u011btsk\u00e9 a dorostov\u00e9 psychiatrie<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Tak je pot\u0159eba dodr\u017eovat ty standardn\u00ed postupy, kdy\u017e m\u00e1 d\u00edt\u011b podez\u0159en\u00ed na, j\u00e1 nev\u00edm, na ang\u00ednu nebo na astma, prost\u011b n\u011bjak\u00fd onemocn\u011bn\u00ed, tak jde k l\u00e9ka\u0159i. Kolega mluvil o stigmatu, nebo \u010dasto o strachu v r\u00e1mci\u00a0<strong>zdravotnictv\u00ed<\/strong>, nebo i \u0161ir\u0161\u00edch odborn\u00edk\u016f, kdy za\u017e\u00edv\u00e1m, \u017ee ti rodi\u010de \u0159eknou, \u017ee n\u011bkdo vyslovil podez\u0159en\u00ed na ADHD, nap\u0159\u00edklad ve \u0161kole u\u010ditel nebo i praktick\u00fd l\u00e9ka\u0159 a poslali to d\u00edt\u011b nap\u0159\u00edklad do pedagogicko-psychologick\u00e9 poradny nebo k neurologovi, co\u017e jsou zase odbornosti, kde ta spolupr\u00e1ce s nimi je velmi d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e1, ale nejsou to odbornosti, kter\u00fd maj\u00ed l\u00e9\u010dit, diagnostikovat a koordinovat ten p\u0159\u00edstup, tak\u017ee m\u016f\u017ee to b\u00fdt probl\u00e9m syst\u00e9mov\u00fd. J\u00e1 m\u00e1m pocit, \u017ee se to postupn\u011b s osv\u011btou a s destigmatizac\u00ed zlep\u0161uje, ale je\u0161t\u011b se s t\u00edm setk\u00e1v\u00e1me.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Pane Kl\u00edmo, d\u00e1 se to interpretovat i tak, a te\u010f v\u00e1m nechci podsouvat n\u011bco, jestli jste to tak p\u0159esn\u011b nemyslel, ale \u017ee pokud tedy n\u011bkdo m\u00e1 tu diagn\u00f3zu ADHD od l\u00e9ka\u0159e, psychiatra a p\u0159\u00edpadn\u011b m\u00e1 i\u00a0<strong>l\u00e9ky<\/strong>, tak v tom p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b u\u017e byste uznal, \u017ee to je ADHD, ale v t\u011bch ostatn\u00edch p\u0159\u00edpadech sp\u00ed\u0161 ne?<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, d\u011btsk\u00fd psycholog<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Tam je hrozn\u011b p\u0159echodn\u00e1, p\u0159echodn\u00e1 z\u00f3na, opravdu respektuju, akceptuju diagn\u00f3zu od psychiatra, beru ji na v\u011bdom\u00ed a \/nesrozumiteln\u00e9\/.<br \/><br \/>moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Ale u t\u011bch ostatn\u00edch, jste \u0159\u00edkal, \u017ee to t\u0159eba jim \u0159eknou ve \u0161kole.<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, d\u011btsk\u00fd psycholog<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Jsou to p\u0159\u00edznaky, nemus\u00ed to b\u00fdt ADHD. My, mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee m\u00e1lo respektujeme individu\u00e1ln\u00ed odli\u0161nosti, my se li\u0161\u00edme v r\u00e1mci normy, v koncentraci pozornosti, v hyperaktivit\u011b, v odolnosti k z\u00e1t\u011b\u017ei, to je\u0161t\u011b neznamen\u00e1, \u017ee kdy\u017e jsme jin\u00ed, \u017ee to je ADHD.<br \/><br \/>moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Pane Havelko, v jak\u00e9m okam\u017eiku je vhodn\u00e9 nasadit \u010dlov\u011bku s ADHD\u00a0<strong>l\u00e9ky<\/strong>?<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Havelka, p\u0159edseda Asociace d\u011btsk\u00e9 a dorostov\u00e9 psychiatrie<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>No, tak obecn\u011b v psychiatrii, pokud nezvl\u00e1d\u00e1 ty situace, kter\u00fd ostatn\u00ed lid\u00e9 nebo d\u011bti v jeho v\u011bku zvl\u00e1daj\u00ed, na\u0161\u00edm c\u00edlem nen\u00ed, jak jsem \u0159\u00edkal na za\u010d\u00e1tku, d\u00e1vat n\u00e1lepku nebo omluvenku, ale na\u0161\u00edm c\u00edlem je vracet ty d\u011bti do norm\u00e1ln\u00edho \u017eivota, respektive zvy\u0161ovat tu kvalitu \u017eivota t\u011bm d\u011btem a t\u011bm rodin\u00e1m a pokud to maj\u00ed ud\u011blat\u00a0<strong>l\u00e9ky<\/strong>\u00a0u ADHD, prost\u011b to gr\u00f3 d\u011blaj\u00ed\u00a0<strong>l\u00e9ky<\/strong>, tak se ty\u00a0<strong>l\u00e9ky<\/strong>\u00a0nasad\u00ed.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Jak bezpe\u010dn\u00e9 jsou, proto\u017ee o tom se vede velk\u00e1 diskuze, a te\u010f nechci tedy se stav\u011bt do t\u00e9 role internetov\u00e9ho mudrce, ale o tom se opravdu vede velk\u00e1 debata, jak bezpe\u010dn\u00e9 jsou\u00a0<strong>l\u00e9ky<\/strong>, t\u0159eba Ritalin. Pane Havelko.<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Havelka, <br \/>Ten Ritalin, jestli se nepletu, tak je nejd\u00fdl u\u017e\u00edvan\u00fd psychofarmakum na sv\u011bt\u011b, tak\u017ee ta zku\u0161enost je enormn\u00ed. Co t\u00fd\u010de t\u00fd bezpe\u010dnosti, tak neust\u00e1le se sklo\u0148uje to, \u017ee je to\u00a0<strong>l\u00e9k<\/strong>, kter\u00fd zp\u016fsobuje z\u00e1vislost, tak\u017ee tady je pot\u0159eba \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee je to\u00a0<strong>l\u00e9k<\/strong>\u00a0jako ka\u017edej jinej, kter\u00fd m\u00e1 \u017e\u00e1douc\u00ed a samoz\u0159ejm\u011b mo\u017en\u00e9 ne\u017e\u00e1douc\u00ed \u00fa\u010dinky, ale rozhodn\u011b mezi n\u011b nepat\u0159\u00ed vyvol\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed z\u00e1vislosti, to je prost\u011b d\u00e9monizace. J\u00e1 nechci obhajovat, \u017ee\u00a0<strong>l\u00e9ky<\/strong>\u00a0jsou naprosto bezpe\u010dn\u00fd, ka\u017ed\u00fd\u00a0<strong>l\u00e9k<\/strong>, kdy\u017e si p\u0159e\u010dtete p\u0159\u00edbalov\u00fd let\u00e1k od Paralenu, tak to rad\u0161i ani ned\u011blejte, nebo od Acylpyrinu&#8230; Ale je pot\u0159eba zase vych\u00e1zet z n\u011bjak\u00fdch d\u016fkaz\u016f a ty d\u016fkazy n\u00e1m \u0159\u00edkaj\u00ed, \u017ee nel\u00e9\u010den\u00e9 d\u011bti, respektive dosp\u011bl\u00ed, u kter\u00fdch je to ADHD nel\u00e9\u010deno, maj\u00ed v\u00fdrazn\u011b vy\u0161\u0161\u00ed riziko rozvoje z\u00e1vislosti na psychoaktivn\u00edch l\u00e1tk\u00e1ch ne\u017e lid\u00e9, kter\u00fd jsou l\u00e9\u010den\u00ed pro ADHD.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>A ta v\u011bc v\u017edycky m\u00e1 dv\u011b strany, nen\u00ed to ale zase mo\u017en\u00e9 v n\u011bkter\u00fdch p\u0159\u00edpadech tak, \u017ee se n\u011bkdo za\u010dne prost\u011b vymlouvat na to, kdy\u017e za\u010dne br\u00e1t drogy nebo za\u010dne p\u00edt, \u017ee on za to nem\u016f\u017ee, \u017ee to je vlastn\u011b kv\u016fli ADHD, pane Kl\u00edmo, m\u016f\u017ee to b\u00fdt v\u00fdmluva?<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, <br \/>Jo, beru to na v\u011bdom\u00ed a souhlas\u00edm.<br \/><br \/>moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>D\u011bje se to \u010dasto, setk\u00e1v\u00e1te se v praxi s t\u00edm, \u017ee by se n\u011bkdo vymlouval na to, \u017ee m\u00e1 ADHD a kv\u016fli tomu, \u017ee n\u011bco?<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, d\u011btsk\u00fd psycholog<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Jo, \u017ee d\u00edt\u011b zlob\u00ed, j\u00e1 m\u00e1m ADHD, takhle j\u00e1 to sly\u0161\u00edm \u010dasto, j\u00e1 m\u00e1m tu poruchu.<br \/><br \/> moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Co \u0159\u00edk\u00e1te v takov\u00fdch p\u0159\u00edpadech?<br \/><br \/>Petr Kl\u00edma, <br \/>\u017de i s poruchou se d\u00e1 pracovat.<br \/><br \/>moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Pane Havelko, s poruchou se d\u00e1 pracovat, ale, jak \u0159\u00edk\u00e1te, je pot\u0159eba odborn\u00e9 vy\u0161et\u0159en\u00ed a v\u011bt\u0161inou i\u00a0<strong>l\u00e9ky<\/strong>?<br \/><br \/>Tom\u00e1\u0161 Havelka, p\u0159edseda Asociace d\u011btsk\u00e9 a dorostov\u00e9 psychiatrie<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>Ta diagn\u00f3za je za\u010d\u00e1tek cesty, to nen\u00ed konec, to je prost\u011b o tom, \u017ee to fakt nen\u00ed n\u00e1lepka, ale \u017ee to je pom\u016fcka na t\u00fd cest\u011b ke zlep\u0161en\u00ed \u017eivota, a u ADHD je to zkvalitn\u011bn\u00ed \u017eivota d\u00edt\u011bte, rodiny, do toho \u0161koln\u00edho kolektivu. A ta efektivita\u00a0<strong>l\u00e9k\u016f<\/strong>, mo\u017en\u00e1 vystupuju jako obh\u00e1jce\u00a0<strong>l\u00e9k\u016f<\/strong>, to tak nen\u00ed, ale u toho ADHD, proto\u017ee ta efektivita je opravdu vysok\u00e1, samoz\u0159ejm\u011b nezaru\u010d\u00edme stoprocentn\u00ed, nem\u00e1me k\u0159i\u0161\u0165\u00e1lovou kouli, ale rozhodn\u011b ta \u0161ance, \u017ee ta situace se zlep\u0161\u00ed, je velmi vysok\u00e1 a zase nechci upoza\u010fovat dal\u0161\u00ed p\u0159\u00edstupy, o kter\u00fdch jsem mluvil d\u0159\u00edv, ale ty\u00a0<strong>l\u00e9ky<\/strong>\u00a0u ADHD ve v\u011bt\u0161in\u011b p\u0159\u00edpad\u016f jsou prost\u011b na prvn\u00edm m\u00edst\u011b.<br \/><br \/>Jan Bumba, moder\u00e1tor<br \/>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br \/>P\u00e1nov\u00e9, d\u011bkuji v\u00e1m ob\u011bma, \u017ee jste si ud\u011blali \u010das pro tuto debatu. Na\u0161imi hosty byli p\u0159edseda Asociace d\u011btsk\u00e9 a dorostov\u00e9 psychiatrie Tom\u00e1\u0161 Havelka. Na shledanou.<br \/><br \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div class=\"mh-excerpt\"><p>\u00a0\u010cRo Plus\u00a0&#8211; Pro a proti Pokud chcete rozv\u00ed\u0159it plamennou diskuzi na soci\u00e1ln\u00edch s\u00edt\u00edch, sta\u010d\u00ed napsat \u010dty\u0159i p\u00edsmena ADHD. 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