{"id":60431,"date":"2025-09-02T18:37:47","date_gmt":"2025-09-02T16:37:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=60431"},"modified":"2025-09-02T18:37:24","modified_gmt":"2025-09-02T16:37:24","slug":"natrenovat-usinani-se-da-rika-sova","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.invarena.cz\/?p=60431","title":{"rendered":"Natr\u00e9novat us\u00edn\u00e1n\u00ed se d\u00e1, \u0159\u00edk\u00e1 Sova"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Radio\u017eurn\u00e1l<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>hostem je jeden z nejuzn\u00e1van\u011bj\u0161\u00edch \u010desk\u00fdch pneumolog\u016f, prof. Milan Sova, p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy Fakultn\u00ed nemocnice Brno. <br \/>Hlavn\u00ed n\u00e1pln\u00ed va\u0161\u00ed pr\u00e1ce je diagnostika a l\u00e9\u010dba plicn\u00edch onemocn\u011bn\u00ed, ale taky jste v\u00fdzkumn\u00edkem, ale m\u00e1te za sebou i n\u011bkolikaletou praxi ve Fakultn\u00ed nemocnici Olomouc, kde jste byl i jako vedouc\u00ed sp\u00e1nkov\u00e9 laborato\u0159e, tak jste se vyspal na dne\u0161ek dob\u0159e nebo ne? A vzhledem k va\u0161emu p\u0159\u00edjmen\u00ed jste sova nebo rann\u00ed pt\u00e1\u010de?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Vyspal jsem se celkem dob\u0159e, i kdy\u017e teda mohl bych sp\u00e1t d\u00e9le, proto\u017ee jsem sem musel dojet. Jsem sp\u00ed\u0161e sova, co\u017e d\u011bl\u00e1 tro\u0161ku probl\u00e9m i Sova nejenom jm\u00e9nem, ale sova i t\u00edm zam\u011b\u0159en\u00edm, \u017ee \u010dlov\u011bk by \u0161el sp\u00e1t pozd\u011bji a st\u00e1val pozd\u011bji, ale vzhledem k tomu, jakou m\u00e1m profesi, tak zase mus\u00edm vst\u00e1vat brzo, a to je v\u011bc, kter\u00e1 n\u00e1m n\u011bkdy d\u011bl\u00e1 probl\u00e9my, a nejenom mn\u011b, ale velk\u00e9 \u010d\u00e1sti na\u0161\u00ed populace.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To mi pov\u00eddejte. No, a plat\u00ed, \u017ee rann\u00ed pt\u00e1\u010de opravdu d\u00e1l dosk\u00e1\u010de, kdy\u017e cel\u00fd \u017eivot chod\u00ed \u010dlov\u011bk brzy sp\u00e1t, to znamen\u00e1, \u017ee toho docela hodn\u011b nasp\u00ed p\u0159ed p\u016flnoc\u00ed, \u017ee kvalita jeho \u017eivota bude opravdu lep\u0161\u00ed a \u017eivot del\u0161\u00ed?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>J\u00e1 bych \u0159ekl, \u017ee to je nesmysl, \u017ee to je takov\u00fd jeden z t\u011bch obl\u00edben\u00fdch m\u00fdt\u016f, proto\u017ee stra\u0161n\u011b z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed na tom, jak\u00fd jsme typ, jestli jsme ty rann\u00ed pt\u00e1\u010data nebo sovy a stra\u0161n\u011b z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed na tom, jak n\u00e1\u0161 \u017eivot je postaven\u00fd, proto\u017ee ur\u010dit\u011b budeme m\u00edt \u010dlov\u011bka, kter\u00fd je v\u00fdkonn\u00fd, kter\u00fd chod\u00ed sp\u00e1t v jednu hodinu r\u00e1no, vst\u00e1v\u00e1 t\u0159eba v 8, 9 a pracuje a m\u00e1 ten den jednodu\u0161e posunut\u00fd a m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt daleko v\u00fdkonn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed, ne\u017e \u010dlov\u011bk, kter\u00fd chod\u00ed sp\u00e1t se slepicema, jak se \u0159\u00edk\u00e1, a vst\u00e1v\u00e1 o p\u00e1t\u00e9, tak\u017ee je to jenom o tom, jak to m\u00e1me vnit\u0159n\u011b nastaven\u00fd, jako m\u00e1me sebediscipl\u00ednu a rozhodn\u011b to nen\u00ed pravda, \u017ee kdo by chodil sp\u00e1t brzo a vst\u00e1val zase brzo, tak\u017ee by m\u011bl b\u00fdt v\u00fdkonn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e n\u011bkdo jin\u00fd.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dnes m\u00e1 hodn\u011b lid\u00ed chytr\u00e9 hodinky, kter\u00e9 mu uk\u00e1\u017e\u00ed, jak kvalitn\u00ed sp\u00e1nek m\u00e1, a kdy\u017e moc kvalitn\u00ed nen\u00ed nebo ho nen\u00ed tolik, kolik by ho m\u011blo m\u00edt, tak ty hodinky prost\u011b odlo\u017e\u00ed, d\u011blaj\u00ed dob\u0159e, \u017ee je odkl\u00e1daj\u00ed?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tam je ot\u00e1zka, jak ty chytr\u00e9 hodinky maj\u00ed nastaven\u00e9 algoritmy, existuj\u00ed chytr\u00e9 hodinky, kter\u00e9 ur\u010dit\u011b maj\u00ed ty algoritmy nastaven\u00e9 pom\u011brn\u011b p\u0159esn\u011b, \u017ee dok\u00e1\u017e\u00ed odhadnout, jestli ten \u010dlov\u011bk sp\u00ed nebo nesp\u00ed. Na druhou stranu my bychom se nem\u011bli tou elektronikou n\u011bjak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem stresovat, proto\u017ee to, \u017ee n\u00e1m uk\u00e1\u017e\u00ed na\u0161e chytr\u00e9 hodinky, \u017ee blb\u011b sp\u00edme, tak to neznamen\u00e1, \u017ee to mus\u00ed b\u00fdt pravda, proto\u017ee nen\u00ed to vy\u0161et\u0159en\u00ed \u00fapln\u011b stoprocentn\u00ed. A druh\u00e1 v\u011bc, stra\u0161n\u011b z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed na tom, jak vlastn\u011b po\u010d\u00edt\u00e1 t\u0159eba dobu sp\u00e1nku. A tam zase se vrac\u00edme k tomu, \u017ee ka\u017ed\u00fd z n\u00e1s je tro\u0161ku jin\u00fd a n\u011bkomu sta\u010d\u00ed m\u00e9n\u011b, n\u011bkdo zase pot\u0159ebuje v\u00edce. Tak\u017ee my, kdy\u017e budeme vyspan\u00ed, nebudeme unaven\u00ed, budeme se c\u00edtit dob\u0159e, tak je \u00fapln\u011b jedno, co n\u00e1m na\u0161e chytr\u00e9 hodinky ukazuj\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> Va\u0161e cesta k medic\u00edn\u011b, vy jste jednou \u0159ekl, ani j\u00e1 a ani moji rodi\u010de jsme nevymysleli nic lep\u0161\u00edho. Maminka je taky l\u00e9ka\u0159ka, tak\u017ee rodinn\u00e1 anamn\u00e9za byla jasn\u00e1. Jasn\u00e1 byla i pneumologie, tenhle obor?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Pneumologie za\u010dala b\u00fdt jasn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed n\u011bkdy ve t\u0159et\u00edm ro\u010dn\u00edku, ve \u010dtvrt\u00e9m ro\u010dn\u00edku na medic\u00edn\u011b. J\u00e1 jsem celou dobu asi v\u011bd\u011bl, \u017ee by cht\u011bl d\u011blat obor, kter\u00fd je intern\u00ed a z\u00e1rove\u0148 m\u016f\u017eu d\u011blat n\u011bco rukama, jak se \u0159\u00edk\u00e1, co\u017e u t\u00e9 pneumologie je kombinace toho, \u017ee \u010dlov\u011bk vlastn\u011b z pohledu internisty m\u00e1 ambulanci, vy\u0161et\u0159uje pacienty, l\u00e9\u010d\u00ed pacienty pr\u00e1\u0161kama a z\u00e1rove\u0148 jsou tam endoskopick\u00e9 metody bronchoskopie, bronchologie v\u0161eobecn\u011b, tak\u017ee d\u00e1 se tam i vlastn\u011b d\u011blat n\u011bco manu\u00e1ln\u011b, kdy\u017e to tak \u0159eknu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ale ty metody, kter\u00e9 jste te\u010f zmi\u0148oval, tak tam jste i ten v\u00fdzkumn\u00edk?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>My jsme d\u011blali n\u011bjak\u00e9 pr\u00e1ce ohledn\u011b bronchologie, nebo v sou\u010dasn\u00e9 dob\u011b se zab\u00fdv\u00e1me v\u00fdzkumem v t\u00e9to oblasti s kolegy z Vysok\u00e9ho u\u010den\u00ed technick\u00e9ho v Brn\u011b, tak\u017ee tam ur\u010dit\u011b n\u011bjak\u00fd projekty jako b\u011b\u017e\u00ed, jinak vlastn\u011b v na\u0161\u00ed, \u0159ekn\u011bme, v\u011bdeck\u00e9 nebo v t\u00e9 kari\u00e9\u0159e jsme se zab\u00fdvali i dal\u0161\u00edmi v\u011bcmi, a\u0165 u\u017e to byly sp\u00e1nek, obstruk\u010dn\u00ed sp\u00e1nkov\u00e1 apnoe a jej\u00ed vliv na kardiovaskul\u00e1rn\u00ed syst\u00e9m, n\u011bco kolem covidu. A bylo toho v\u00edce.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A jste tedy v\u011bdec nebo ne?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To je dobr\u00e1 ot\u00e1zka. J\u00e1 se sp\u00ed\u0161 pova\u017euju za klinika nebo ur\u010dit\u011b se pova\u017euju za klinika, proto\u017ee po\u0159\u00e1d ta klinick\u00e1 praxe je to, co d\u011bl\u00e1me nejv\u00edce, l\u00e9\u010d\u00edme na\u0161e pacienty. V\u011bda do toho zapad\u00e1 tak, \u017ee samoz\u0159ejm\u011b mus\u00edme v\u011bdu produkovat, abychom to v\u011bd\u011bn\u00ed posunuli, ale ne\u0159ekl bych, \u017ee v na\u0161ich nemocnic\u00edch je tam n\u011bjak\u00e1 soupe\u0159ivost, v\u017edycky to jde ruku v ruce, v\u017edycky dohromady klinika s tou v\u011bdeckou \u010dinnost\u00ed, no, a potom taky z pozice vlastn\u011b, ve kter\u00e9 jsem, tak je pot\u0159eba management t\u00e9 kliniky a n\u011bjak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem to d\u00e1t dohromady.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>J\u00e1 se vr\u00e1t\u00edm k tomu sp\u00e1nku, kdy\u017e jste byl jako vedouc\u00ed t\u00e9 sp\u00e1nkov\u00e9 laborato\u0159e, d\u00e1 se opravdu na ty sk\u0159ivany a sovy vyzr\u00e1t, jako natr\u00e9novat to us\u00edn\u00e1n\u00ed t\u0159eba?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Natr\u00e9novat us\u00edn\u00e1n\u00ed se d\u00e1 \u010d\u00e1ste\u010dn\u011b, nen\u00ed to v\u017edycky jednoduch\u00e9, spo\u010d\u00edv\u00e1 to v tom, \u017ee se vyu\u017e\u00edvaj\u00ed principy kognitivn\u011b behavioraln\u00ed terapie, desatero sp\u00e1nkov\u00e9 hygieny a dal\u0161\u00ed p\u0159\u00edstupy. My dok\u00e1\u017eeme n\u00e1\u0161 \u017eivot asi hodn\u011b ovlivnit, dok\u00e1\u017eeme se hodn\u011b nau\u010dit, abychom chodili sp\u00e1t v ur\u010ditou dobu a zase vst\u00e1vali v ur\u010ditou dobu. Ot\u00e1zka je, nakolik je to pro n\u00e1s p\u0159irozen\u00e9, samoz\u0159ejm\u011b, pokud m\u00e1me p\u0159irozen\u011b d\u00e1no, \u017ee rad\u0161i bychom chodili sp\u00e1t pozd\u011bji a vst\u00e1vali pozd\u011bji, ale bohu\u017eel na\u0161e pr\u00e1ce n\u00e1m tohle neumo\u017e\u0148uje, tak n\u00e1m to m\u016f\u017ee tro\u0161ku d\u011blat probl\u00e9my, ale \u010dasto tu pr\u00e1ci nem\u016f\u017eeme zm\u011bnit, proto\u017ee nic jin\u00e9ho neum\u00edme, \u017ee jo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jak se s t\u00edm srovn\u00e1v\u00e1te vy s\u00e1m?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>D\u00e1 se s t\u00edm srovnat, \u010dlov\u011bk si zvykne na v\u0161echno, jak se \u0159\u00edk\u00e1, prost\u011b, kdy\u017e od ml\u00e1d\u00ed pracujete, chod\u00edte na sedm, slou\u017e\u00edte ve sm\u011bn\u00e1ch, slou\u017e\u00edte no\u010dn\u00ed slu\u017eby, zvyknete si na to.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>No, a je dobr\u00e9, kdy\u017e \u010dlov\u011bk nem\u016f\u017ee sp\u00e1t, si vz\u00edt medikamenty?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Stra\u0161n\u011b z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed, jak dlouho ty medikamenty budete br\u00e1t, kdy\u017e je vezmete kr\u00e1tkodob\u011b, kdy\u017e m\u00e1te n\u011bjak\u00e9 probl\u00e9my, a\u0165 u\u017e rodinn\u00e9 nebo finan\u010dn\u00ed nebo pracovn\u00ed, nebo jak\u00e9koliv, a kr\u00e1tkodob\u011b si vezmete medikament, abyste se vyspala, tak je to v po\u0159\u00e1dku. Pokud bychom dlouhodob\u011b u\u017e\u00edvali pr\u00e1\u0161ky na span\u00ed, hlavn\u011b teda ze skupiny benzodiazepinu, tak tam potom nast\u00e1v\u00e1 probl\u00e9m, \u017ee si vytvo\u0159\u00edme na n\u011b z\u00e1vislost.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Co s tou z\u00e1vislost\u00ed potom se d\u00e1 d\u011blat?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>No, d\u00e1 se l\u00e9\u010dit, ale \u0161patn\u011b. Z\u00e1vislosti na pr\u00e1\u0161c\u00edch na span\u00ed, kdy\u017e to \u0159eknu lidov\u011b, jsou jedny z nejh\u016f\u0159e l\u00e9\u010diteln\u00fdch, co\u017e by v\u00e1m \u0159ekl nebo \u0159ekli l\u00e9pe psychiat\u0159i, ale opravdu blb\u011b se to l\u00e9\u010d\u00ed, proto\u017ee ti lid\u00e9 maj\u00ed z\u00e1vislost nejenom fyzickou, ale hlavn\u011b psychickou, proto\u017ee on opravdu ka\u017ed\u00fd z n\u00e1s, kdo za\u017eil nespavost, co\u017e si troufnu \u0159\u00edct, za\u017eili \u00fapln\u011b v\u0161ichni, tak je to hrozn\u011b nep\u0159\u00edjemn\u00e9. A ta situace, kdy\u017e se v noci probud\u00edte, kouk\u00e1te do stropu a po\u010d\u00edt\u00e1te ove\u010dky a stejn\u011b nem\u016f\u017eete sp\u00e1t a v\u00edte, \u017ee se pot\u0159ebujete vyspat, proto\u017ee druh\u00fd den m\u00e1te n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00fd den, tak je to n\u011bco stra\u0161n\u011b negativn\u00edho. A kdy\u017e jste zvykl\u00e1 vz\u00edt si pr\u00e1\u0161ek a t\u00edm to vy\u0159e\u0161it, tak potom si ho zase vezmete.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Co takov\u00e9to us\u00edn\u00e1n\u00ed u televize, kdy\u017e to jinak nejde, tak tohle byste t\u0159eba v z\u00e1jmu zdrav\u00ed toleroval?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>No, v desateru sp\u00e1nkov\u00e9 hygieny je naps\u00e1no, \u017ee televizi bychom v lo\u017enici m\u00edt nem\u011bli, us\u00ednat u televize tak\u00e9 ne. Na druhou stranu, pokud bude n\u011bkdo zase, kdo je na to zvykl\u00fd, \u017ee us\u00edn\u00e1 u televize a vysp\u00ed se tak, no, tak pro\u010d ne. Taky m\u00e1m kamar\u00e1da, kter\u00fd \u0159ekne, \u017ee us\u00edn\u00e1 jenom u televize a jindy prost\u011b neusne, \u017ee je na to takhle zvykl\u00fd, \u0159\u00edk\u00e1m, tak jo, tak si us\u00ednej.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Kolik bychom, samoz\u0159ejm\u011b s ohledem na n\u00e1\u0161 v\u011bk, toho m\u011bli denn\u011b naspat?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Je to zase individu\u00e1ln\u00ed. To je dneska asi nej\u010dast\u011bj\u0161\u00ed odpov\u011b\u010f. \u0158\u00edk\u00e1 se kolem 8 hodin, \u0159\u00edk\u00e1 se kolem 8 hodin, na druhou stranu my dobu sp\u00e1nku zkracujeme t\u00edm, jak m\u00e1me televize, sv\u011btlo, v\u0161echny ty v\u00fddobytky modern\u00ed civilizace. D\u016fle\u017eit\u00fd je, jestli se c\u00edt\u00edme, \u017ee jsme vyspan\u00ed, pokud jsme vyspan\u00ed, sta\u010d\u00ed n\u00e1m 6 hodin bez probl\u00e9m\u016f, pokud u\u017e ty probl\u00e9my m\u00e1me, \u017ee jsme nev\u00fdkonn\u00ed, r\u00e1no unaven\u00ed, m\u011bli bychom sp\u00e1t d\u00e9le. A probl\u00e9m je ten, \u017ee my to, co nenasp\u00edme p\u0159es t\u00fdden, p\u0159es v\u00edkend, nedo\u017eeneme. Tam si zbyte\u010dn\u011b akor\u00e1t rozhazujeme ten rytmus a v\u011bt\u0161ina lid\u00ed, kter\u00e1 potom o v\u00edkendu bude sp\u00e1t hodn\u011b, tak to nedok\u00e1\u017ee, \u0159ekn\u011bme, dohnat cel\u00fd ten deficit z toho t\u00fddne.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>No, ale to psychicky, mohl jsem je\u0161t\u011b sp\u00e1t.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>No, p\u0159esn\u011b tak. Je to o psychice, je to o tom nastaven\u00ed a je to o tom re\u017eimu, kter\u00fd se n\u011bkdy nastavuje h\u016f\u0159e a v modern\u00ed opravdu civilizaci, kdy\u017e se nad t\u00edm zamysl\u00edme, kdy historicky jsme chodili sp\u00e1t, proto\u017ee nebyly sv\u011btla, nebyly lou\u010de, nebylo v\u016fbec nic a te\u010f se n\u00e1m to v\u0161ecko posunulo a posouv\u00e1 se n\u00e1m to o 50 let.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tak kdy\u017e se vr\u00e1t\u00edm k tomu sp\u00e1nku, ale ono to vlastn\u011b i s t\u00edm na\u0161\u00edm d\u00fdch\u00e1n\u00edm a pl\u00edcemi m\u016f\u017ee souviset mnohdy velmi \u00fazce. Co takov\u00e9 sp\u00e1nkov\u00e9 poruchy, tak t\u0159eba syndrom neklidn\u00fdch nohou, no\u010dn\u00ed d\u011bsy, nadm\u011brn\u00e9 us\u00edn\u00e1n\u00ed, tak to jsou vlastn\u011b poruchy, kter\u00e9 n\u00e1s postihuj\u00ed, v\u010detn\u011b sp\u00e1nkov\u00e9 apnoe, kdy doch\u00e1z\u00ed k t\u011bm z\u00e1stav\u00e1m dechu. Jste \u0159\u00edkal, \u017ee b\u011b\u017en\u00e9 je 14\u201316 n\u00e1dech\u016f a mnoz\u00ed maj\u00ed t\u0159eba jenom 6\u20139.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A n\u011bkte\u0159\u00ed t\u0159eba ned\u00fdchaj\u00ed v\u016fbec, t\u0159eba ti lid\u00e9, co maj\u00ed obstruk\u010dn\u00ed sp\u00e1nkovou apnoi, tak tam doch\u00e1z\u00ed k tomu, \u017ee opravdu d\u00fdchac\u00ed cesty se uzav\u0159ou a ta pauza mus\u00ed m\u00edt nejm\u00e9n\u011b 10 vte\u0159in, aby spl\u0148ovala krit\u00e9ria apnoe, ale m\u00e1me rekordmany, kte\u0159\u00ed ned\u00fdchaj\u00ed t\u0159eba p\u016fl minuty, minutu, tak\u017ee opravdu ten pacient se minutu, kdy\u017e to \u0159eknu, dus\u00ed, kles\u00e1 mu saturace a potom dojde k mikroprobuzen\u00ed, on se nadechne a za chvilku se ten d\u011bj opakuje.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jak se to \u0159e\u0161\u00ed, jenom ty masky nebo operace?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tak, p\u0159esn\u011b, jak \u0159\u00edk\u00e1te, je n\u011bkolik mo\u017enost\u00ed. Obstruk\u010dn\u00ed sp\u00e1nkov\u00e1 apnoe v principu se l\u00e9\u010d\u00ed nej\u010dast\u011bji maskou a p\u0159etlakov\u00fdm d\u00fdch\u00e1n\u00edm. M\u00e1me k dispozici dal\u0161\u00ed metody, a\u0165 u\u017e je to operace, v n\u011bkter\u00fdch p\u0159\u00edpadech indikov\u00e1na, m\u00e1me t\u0159eba mandibul\u00e1rn\u00ed protraktory, co\u017e jsou takov\u00e1 ud\u011bl\u00e1tka, kter\u00e1 se daj\u00ed do pusy a tro\u0161ku povyt\u00e1hnout \u010delist, ale ta maska je nej\u00fa\u010dinn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed, nejpou\u017e\u00edvan\u011bj\u0161\u00ed a pokud se j\u00ed n\u011bkdo boj\u00ed, jak bude vypadat, tak bych \u0159ekl, \u017ee zdrav\u00ed je p\u0159edn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed a a\u0165 se toho neboj\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sp\u00ed\u0161 jde o to, jak si na to zvykne ten partner, \u017ee jo, proto\u017ee na za\u010d\u00e1tku, si mysl\u00edm, to docela d\u011bs\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>V\u011bt\u0161ina relativn\u011b dob\u0159e. Tam toti\u017e pro toho partnera m\u00e1 obrovskou v\u00fdhodu, \u017ee ten pacient nechr\u00e1pe, tak\u017ee on je r\u00e1d, \u017ee nechr\u00e1pe, ale zase t\u0159eba tam m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt jin\u00e1 situace, kdy vlastn\u011b z t\u00e9 masky mus\u00ed b\u00fdt v\u00fddechov\u00fd ventil, \u017ee ten pacient vydechuje p\u0159es ten v\u00fddechov\u00fd ventil. A n\u011bkter\u00e9 teda partnerky t\u011bch pacient\u016f si st\u011b\u017eovaly, \u017ee to na n\u011b foukalo, tak\u017ee to vy\u0159e\u0161ili t\u00edm, \u017ee si mezi sebe dali t\u0159eba n\u011bkolik pol\u0161t\u00e1\u0159\u016f, aby nefoukal na partnerku.<a href=\"https:\/\/www.beey.io\/cs\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Kdy\u017e se budeme bavit o t\u011bch dal\u0161\u00edch sp\u00e1nkov\u00fdch poruch\u00e1ch, tak co takov\u00e1 n\u00e1m\u011bs\u00ed\u010dnost. Je to taky kategorie poruchy?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ur\u010dit\u011b, n\u00e1m\u011bs\u00ed\u010dnost je kategorie poruchy, nebo respektive sp\u00e1nkov\u00e1 porucha, je to definov\u00e1no v mezin\u00e1rodn\u00ed klasifikaci sp\u00e1nkov\u00fdch onemocn\u011bn\u00ed, sp\u00e1nkov\u00fdch poruch. Je to situace, kterou ka\u017ed\u00fd z n\u00e1s zn\u00e1. Vyskytuje se u v\u011bt\u0161iny hlavn\u011b v mlad\u00e9m v\u011bku, potom do dosp\u011blosti n\u00e1m\u011bs\u00ed\u010dnost odch\u00e1z\u00ed, my m\u00e1me n\u011bkolik poruch.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nevrac\u00ed se na st\u00e1\u0159\u00ed?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>M\u016f\u017ee se vr\u00e1tit. A my m\u00e1me n\u011bkolik toti\u017e poruchu&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>V kolika letech&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To se nev\u00ed, to prost\u011b zase je to individu\u00e1ln\u00ed, ale budete m\u00edt pacienty, kte\u0159\u00ed opravdu maj\u00ed n\u00e1m\u011bs\u00ed\u010dnost vyj\u00e1d\u0159enou pom\u011brn\u011b v\u00fdznamn\u011b. V m\u00e9di\u00edch ur\u010dit\u011b nebo v televizi jste n\u011bkde sly\u0161ela, \u017ee je n\u011bkdo schopn\u00fd t\u0159eba sednout do auta a od\u0159\u00eddit a pak se probud\u00ed a v\u016fbec nev\u00ed, kde je, to je n\u00e1m\u011bs\u00ed\u010dnost, kter\u00e1, nebo respektive stav, kter\u00fd je v\u00e1zan\u00fd na takzvan\u00fd non-REM sp\u00e1nek, kdy ten pacient vn\u00edm\u00e1 sv\u00e9 okol\u00ed. A potom je\u0161t\u011b existuj\u00ed poruchy chov\u00e1n\u00ed ve sp\u00e1nku v\u00e1zan\u00e9 na REM f\u00e1zi sp\u00e1nku, a to je zase situace nebo m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt situace, kdy pacient to svoje okol\u00ed nevn\u00edm\u00e1, tak\u017ee m\u016f\u017ee doj\u00edt k tomu, \u017ee si t\u0159eba a\u017e ubl\u00ed\u017e\u00ed, proto\u017ee pamatuju si jednoho pacienta, kter\u00fd m\u011bl pocit, \u017ee se mu zd\u00e1lo, \u017ee n\u011bkde cvi\u010d\u00ed na n\u011bjak\u00fdm koni, p\u0159eskakoval, proto\u017ee to byl star\u00fd sokol, no, jak p\u0159eskakoval, nevn\u00edmal, tak spadl, z postele a zlomil si nohu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>D\u00e1 se to l\u00e9\u010dit nebo je pot\u0159eba to n\u011bjak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem l\u00e9\u010dit, nebo co se s t\u00edm d\u00e1 d\u011blat?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>L\u00e9\u010dit se d\u00e1 v\u0161echno.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>M\u016f\u017ee to b\u00fdt i nebezpe\u010dn\u00e9.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>M\u016f\u017ee to b\u00fdt i nebezpe\u010dn\u00e9, l\u00e9\u010d\u00ed se to \u0161patn\u011b. Pr\u00e1v\u011b z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed, sp\u00ed\u0161 jde o tu, jak\u00e1 tam je vyvol\u00e1vaj\u00edc\u00ed p\u0159\u00ed\u010dina, proto\u017ee pokud zjist\u00edme, \u017ee to je t\u0159eba vyvol\u00e1vaj\u00edc\u00ed p\u0159\u00ed\u010dina v d\u016fsledku u\u017e\u00edv\u00e1n\u00ed n\u011bkter\u00fdch l\u00e9k\u016f, no, tak ty l\u00e9ky se mohou vysadit nebo t\u0159eba zm\u011bnit. Pokud zjist\u00edme nebo nenajdeme vyvol\u00e1vaj\u00edc\u00ed p\u0159\u00ed\u010dinu, tak potom se zkou\u0161\u00ed r\u016fzn\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edstupy, ale ta situace nen\u00ed \u00fapln\u011b jednoduch\u00e1 a je nutn\u00e9 v\u017edycky konzultovat kolegy, kte\u0159\u00ed se t\u00edm zab\u00fdvaj\u00ed, hlavn\u011b t\u0159eba neurologick\u00e1 pracovi\u0161t\u011b, proto\u017ee \u010dasto i doprov\u00e1z\u00ed tyto stavy celou \u0159adu neurologick\u00fdch onemocn\u011bn\u00ed, a\u0165 u\u017e je to Alzheimera a dal\u0161\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Co takov\u00e1 kategorie no\u010dn\u00edch d\u011bs\u016f, no\u010dn\u00ed m\u016fry, co s t\u00edm?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>No\u010dn\u00ed m\u016fry jsou velice nep\u0159\u00edjemn\u00fd stav, zase asi v\u011bt\u0161ina z n\u00e1s poznala, \u010dasto to souvis\u00ed s t\u00edm, co zrovna pro\u017e\u00edv\u00e1me, kdy m\u00e1me t\u0159eba psychick\u00e9 probl\u00e9my nebo n\u011bjak\u00e9 t\u011b\u017e\u0161\u00ed \u017eivotn\u00ed obdob\u00ed, no, tak jednoduch\u00e1 rada neexistuje, \u0159ekl bych, \u0159e\u0161it to t\u011b\u017ek\u00e9 \u017eivotn\u00ed obdob\u00ed a n\u011bjak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem zkusit ten sv\u016fj, tu svoji psychiku n\u011bjak p\u0159enastavit, n\u011bkdy zp\u016fsobuj\u00ed n\u011bkter\u00e9 l\u00e9ky, no\u010dn\u00ed m\u016fry, pamatuju si t\u0159eba obdob\u00ed, kdy se \u0159\u00edkalo, \u017ee l\u00e9ky na odvyk\u00e1n\u00ed kou\u0159en\u00ed t\u0159eba zp\u016fsobovaly no\u010dn\u00ed m\u016fry, no, tak potom se \u0159eklo, \u017ee ten pacient je neu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1, tak\u017ee zase jde o to zjistit, co je vyvol\u00e1vaj\u00edc\u00ed p\u0159\u00ed\u010dina a tu se pokusit odstranit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mnoz\u00ed \u0159\u00edkaj\u00ed, tv\u016fj probl\u00e9m je v hlav\u011b, tak to je jedna v\u011bc, a taky \u010dasto sly\u0161\u00edme takov\u00e9, tak to prod\u00fdchej, tak co vlastn\u011b m\u00e1m d\u011blat, kdy\u017e ten stres a v\u0161echny ty negativa m\u00e1m prod\u00fdchat?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hlavn\u011b se sna\u017eit uklidnit, to prod\u00fdch\u00e1n\u00ed nen\u00ed kv\u016fli tomu, \u017ee bychom m\u011bli m\u00e1lo kysl\u00edku, sp\u00ed\u0161 je to o tom, \u017ee t\u00edm n\u00e1dech, v\u00fddech, n\u00e1dech, v\u00fddech bychom se m\u011bli tro\u0161ku uklidnit a m\u011bli bychom si asi tro\u0161ku srovnat hlav\u011b, co se d\u011bje.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Patricie Strouhalov\u00e1,moder\u00e1torka<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jak dlouho by ten n\u00e1dech m\u011bl trvat a m\u00e1 ten v\u00fddech b\u00fdt del\u0161\u00ed?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Milan Sova,p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy, FN Brno<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Vy m\u00e1te tak\u00e9 slo\u017eit\u00e9 ot\u00e1zky. Tak\u017ee ur\u010dit\u011b n\u00e1dech v\u00fddech by m\u011bl b\u00fdt sp\u00ed\u0161 k tomu, aby n\u00e1s to opravdu uklidnilo. Asi se ned\u00e1 \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee bych m\u011bl se nadechovat t\u0159eba t\u0159i vte\u0159iny a zase dv\u011b vte\u0159iny vydechovat nebo n\u011bco p\u0159esn\u011bji, kdy\u017e n\u011bkte\u0159\u00ed pacienti, hlavn\u011b teda in\u017een\u00fd\u0159i by byli r\u00e1di, kdyby m\u011bli opravdu to p\u0159esn\u011b naps\u00e1no, ale je to individu\u00e1ln\u00ed zase, je to o tom, \u017ee v klidu se nadechnout, vydechnout, uklidnit se, nestresovat a sna\u017eit se to prost\u011b t\u00edm d\u00fdch\u00e1n\u00edm ten n\u00e1\u0161 psychick\u00fd stav jako uklidnit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div class=\"mh-excerpt\"><p>Radio\u017eurn\u00e1l hostem je jeden z nejuzn\u00e1van\u011bj\u0161\u00edch \u010desk\u00fdch pneumolog\u016f, prof. Milan Sova, p\u0159ednosta Kliniky nemoc\u00ed plicn\u00edch a tuberkul\u00f3zy Fakultn\u00ed nemocnice Brno. 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